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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Lets see here...

    I do defend the administration on the "CHARGES" of lying us to war. I do not believe them completely innocent, as I have said, however I also do not believe it to the extent that many on the left twist and contort it to be. That said, that does not mean I agreed with going into the war. A close friend could have dozens of legitimate reasons to quit his job and go work for his jackass father, and I may agree those reasons are legitimate, but that doesn't mean I also automatically agree he should quit and go work for his jackass father.

    Apparently, unlike you, I debate based on my values, principles, and beliefs not based soundly on what side of the isle I sit on. I try to look at things honestly and state my opinion on them, based on the actual facts not based on "Its a conservative!/Its a liberal!". I do not think the Bush Administration is as guilty on this charge as many on the left state; this does not mean I agree with going into Iraq.

    Similarly, the defending of the rational on WHY we went into Iraq. As I said above, I do not disagree with the rational entirely. I can understand the rational and how it was used. This still does not mean I agreed or wished to go into Iraq.

    In regards to Ron Paul, if you had read my posts concerning him you'd find my disagreement with him 100% about Iraq was not about going into it, but immediete pull out. I disagreed strongly with him due to my views in regards to the Iraq War now that we're there. It has been my belief for some time that an immediete withdrawl would be much more damaging for much longer amount of times to the U.S. than staying until there is a concievable finish to this conflict. This again does not mean I supported entering into the War in Iraq. One may disagree strongly with the direction ones company may decide to go with their manufacturing, however once those higher up than you have made the decision to go with that change it is ignorant to not try and simply deny the action happened and try to make the most success in that situation if a complete u-turn would be more damaging.

    I can't comment on the GySgt post since you didn't actually link to it. However, once again, someone can have a well thought out, appealing, greatly done post on something without completely agreeing with each thing. I have had a number of liberals compliment me on posts I've made that they don't agree with; I had libertarians compliment me on my PATRIOT Act thesis despite disagreeing. I've complimented others that I don't necessarily agree with but are well done.

    So what it comes down to is no...you couldn't find anything of me actually supporting us entering into the War in Iraq. Thanks.
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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    When the current father of our country lies/ or lets himself get lied to, Whos fault is it? One who accepted responsibility and was an honest and honorable person would admit the wrong and point to those that lied to him if so. I would think.
    Well, you kinda have to establish, first, that he did, in fact lie or was lied to, no?

    Bush has acknowledged many mistakes no matter whether you choose to believe it or not.


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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Well, you kinda have to establish, first, that he did, in fact lie or was lied to, no?

    Bush has acknowledged many mistakes no matter whether you choose to believe it or not.

    So he may or may not have lied and there isn't responsable for any of it then.
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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So he may or may not have lied and there isn't responsable for any of it then.
    Try again. Be sure to include all of the words you intend to communicate this time, mmmkay...

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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Well, you kinda have to establish, first, that he did, in fact lie or was lied to, no?

    Bush has acknowledged many mistakes no matter whether you choose to believe it or not.


    Bush has acknowledged many mistakes.....that's a good one. Bush has been the biggest duck and cover President (at least in my lifetime).

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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Try again. Be sure to include all of the words you intend to communicate this time, mmmkay...
    I didn't forget anything. I put an extra one in.

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    The man is a fear monger. In my book he spreads more terror than anyone I can think of alive right now. He scares everyone into taking his little preplanned route as the solution and once you do you don't even realize what you lost. He is the Bush beater. We are the ones who run. And newly forged laws, regulations, and mere word on paper catch their prey.
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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Bush has acknowledged many mistakes.....that's a good one. Bush has been the biggest duck and cover President (at least in my lifetime).

    BTW: So far my high score is 11
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    Again, your disbelief ain't a substitute for facts.

    I love how some of you people believe that if you haven't heard it or your favorite blogger that you crib notes from didn't say it then it never happened.

    I mean, Bush has never admitted mistakes. Not at all. No acknowledgment or admission of mistakes, right?

    Of course, I'm sure that these admissions or acknowledgments don't go far enough for you, right?

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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Throw shoes at Bush - The game:

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    I got 13 hits.
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    Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I didn't forget anything. I put an extra one in.
    Huh?

    "So he may or may not have lied and there isn't anyone responsable for any of it then."

    Didn't you forget the word, "anyone"?

    War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength; Coersion is Free Market.
    God I hate this type of nonsense. You must a college degree because this is the tye of garbage many of our universities and colleges are peddling as pop culture these days.

    The man is a fear monger. In my book he spreads more terror than anyone I can think of alive right now.
    Now I know you went to college. You reek of gross moral equivalencies and relativitism.

    Sickening.

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