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    US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

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    It seems that the Unions concerned would not agree to wages being cut to levels paid by other Auto manufacturers within the US.
    Silly people, it is better to have a job that pays something than have no job at all.
    When will they realize that the gravy days are over?

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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    Stupid move by the union but good for the rest of us, although this isnt the end IMO.
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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    It seems that the Unions concerned would not agree to wages being cut to levels paid by other Auto manufacturers within the US.
    Silly people, it is better to have a job that pays something than have no job at all.
    When will they realize that the gravy days are over?
    That's kinda what I thought. Less money or no money. I'd take less money and crunch my living expenses a bit.
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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    By taking the less money they lose alot of sway with their members. No point in having to pay dues or deal with union officials when non-union workers at the other plants are making the same amount of cash, have good benefits, and have a good arbitration system.

    Yes, you can have arbitration without having a union. But then, you're also more likely to get canned for negligance without a safety line. But then being one of those big bad mean conservatives I have no problem with that.


    Ron Gettelfinger, UAW president
    "I'm not sure exactly what we mean when we say bring wages in line... I think the men and women of the UAW, who have worked so hard to help these companies succeed, have made numerous concessions up to this point in time," Gettelfinger said. "And we should be given some recognition and some credit for that."
    Hey Ron, got news for you. In the real world you get pat on the back for DOING YOUR JOB. It does not entitle you to hefty bonuses. Having to go on strike, aggresively negotiate, and blugeon a company for high pay rates than other more productive companies, and negotiate for LESS work does not show any "loyalty" to a company nor does it attribute to any "successes" of a company.

    You can only bleed an animal for so much before it dies. I truly hope that if the board of directors for the Big 3 remove the CEO's that Ron gets kicked out of his job as well. Oh and bonus points for Obamamessiah worship thrown in there sir.
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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    Well, the Unions have no one to blame but themselves when the people they are supposed to negotiate for are suddenly without incomes at all. This is going to be a tough pill for all the Union sympathizers to swallow.

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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    I am reminded of that which happened in the British Auto industry.
    There they had a man nicknamed Red Robbo, who almost single handed destroyed that industry by his ever increasing demands on the Company.
    Naturally the workers had not the intelligence to see what was inevitable until it was too late.
    The Company Bosses likewise were to blame in acceding to whatever he and his cronies demanded of them.
    The British Government bailed the Company (British Leyland) out, after a number of owners the Company or whatever remained of it was sold to be honest, the British Government paid BMW to take it off their hands.
    So awfully sordid to see a repeat and of all places to see it happening in the USA.
    If anyone from Detroit reads this they should take note.
    Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Subaru have never received or even requested bail out money. They actually do make profits.
    The above company's make Auto's that people want, their goods are reasonably priced and are also made in the USA by American workers who are perfectly willing to give a fair day's work for a fair day's pay.
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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    There's no reason why the workers should have to pay for the errors caused by irresponsible capitalists. If the capitalists can't handle running the show then give them the boot.

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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    Given the analysts done on the potential amounts that GM needs, this bailout would have only been the start, a drop in the bucket. Some estimates ran as high as $125 billion to keep GM alive.

    The death of this bill ensures that we don't go down that path.

    GM made bad decisions and now they are paying for it. I'd love to see Ford, Toyota and Honda eat up their market share.
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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There's no reason why the workers should have to pay for the errors caused by irresponsible capitalists. If the capitalists can't handle running the show then give them the boot.
    The error was paying them so much that the company was uncompetitive. If they want to keep their jobs they'll take a pay cut.
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    Re: US car bail-out talks 'collapse'

    Funny how the unions get the blame here, when in fact it was the Republicans that killed the deal.. oh well, welcome to a million+ new unemployed America and hundreds of billions in extra money need for them.
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