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    Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Has anybody heard about this?

    This is very dangerous for our country, especially with the congress that we have today. They can stick ANY amendment in there that they want, and we have NO say over the matter. Yesterday I received an email saying they were only 2 states away from the 34 they need to hold one...Ohio and one more. It looks like Ohio caved.
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    They want to hold a convention for a balanced budget amendment. What alot of people don't realize is they DON'T HAVE TO STOP there. They could add things like...

    1. Total civilian disarmament.
    2. Socialization of industry.
    3. Confiscation of private property.
    4. Torture of citizens.
    5. Suppression of the Press and of Religion
    6. Disposal of the requirement that you have to be a natural born citizen of
    the US to be president....hmmm.

    This would be political suicide if this goes through.

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Any proposals adopted by convention would have to be approved by 3/4 of the states.

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    What's wrong with having a Constitutional amendment to balance the budget? The way I see it, if Congress can't or doesn't want to do it, the people of this nation can force them to.

    This is the issue that Republicans have really screwed the pooch on, and what has made them irrelevant today. We ALREADY have Democrats.
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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What's wrong with having a Constitutional amendment to balance the budget? The way I see it, if Congress can't or doesn't want to do it, the people of this nation can force them to.

    This is the issue that Republicans have really screwed the pooch on, and what has made them irrelevant today. We ALREADY have Democrats.
    The problem is that according to the Constitution, a constitutional convention does not have to be limited to the issue that it is being convened for. It doesn't even have to stop at an amendment. It could adopt a whole new constitution.

    VERY DANGEROUS thing that they are playing with here.
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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The problem is that according to the Constitution, a constitutional convention does not have to be limited to the issue that it is being convened for. It doesn't even have to stop at an amendment. It could adopt a whole new constitution.

    VERY DANGEROUS thing that they are playing with here.
    That's right. You people need to read the article and watch the films. THEY DON'T HAVE TO STOP AT JUST ONE AMENDMENT! They can totally rewrite the Constitution if they want to.

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The problem is that according to the Constitution, a constitutional convention does not have to be limited to the issue that it is being convened for. It doesn't even have to stop at an amendment. It could adopt a whole new constitution.

    VERY DANGEROUS thing that they are playing with here.
    Yes...assuming that 3/4 of the state legislatures approve the amendments. Its not like they just go into a back room, close the door, and come out with a new constitution. The idea that such a convention, specifically provided for in the constitution, is a threat to the constitution is amusing.

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    Any proposals adopted by convention would have to be approved by 3/4 of the states.
    Wrong. 3/4 of the states only have to say they want a convention...after that, it's all downhill. Congress can throw anything they want in there, and with these ****ing clowns, that is a VERY dangerous thing.

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Wrong. 3/4 of the states only have to say they want a convention...after that, it's all downhill. Congress can throw anything they want in there, and with these ****ing clowns, that is a VERY dangerous thing.
    Wrong. That is just completely and utterly false. It is not even how the convention is called. TWO THIRDS, not 3/4 of the states must call for a convention for it to happen, first of all. So that would be your first ridiculous error. Secondly, the convention does not have the power to ratify its own amendments. It didn't even have this power with the ORIGINAL convention, when our constitution was adopted! Remember the whole has to go to the states and 9 of them need to ratify it thing?

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKC View Post
    Yes...assuming that 3/4 of the state legislatures approve the amendments. Its not like they just go into a back room, close the door, and come out with a new constitution. The idea that such a convention, specifically provided for in the constitution, is a threat to the constitution is amusing.
    Read the article.

    You may have heard the states can control the subject of any convention. In truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope or outcome of a Convention! Once a Convention is called Congress determines how the delegates to the Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess more power than the U.S. Congress itself; if it were not so they would not be able to change the U.S. Constitution!
    As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said in a letter written to Phyllis Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum:
    "...there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don't like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederation Congress..."

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    Re: Calls For A Constitutional Convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Read the article.
    Read this article. It's called Article V. It comes after Article IV and before Article VI in the constitution.

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress

    It's really not that complicated.

    EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I do not consider the "Christian Worldview Network" a legitimate source. So I could really care less about what they have to say. Show it to me in the Constitution.
    Last edited by BlueKC; 12-11-08 at 07:37 PM.

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