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Small Child's Remains Found Near Home of Caylee Anthony's Family

MrVicchio said:
Selfish, self centered whore.

There ya go.. she's evil.
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Well, then, her kid probably would've grown up to be the same. Blood will out.
No big loss, I guess.
 
MrVicchio said:
I dismiss moral relativism as cowardice of character and weakness of soul.
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Uh, okay. If you want to insult me for my point of view, be my guest. It shows to me that you feel somehow threatened by my point of view. I realize that the idea of moral relativism isn't for everyone and I don't expect everyone to subscribe to it. I have respect for your beliefs, can you not have a similar respect for mine? Or does it just offend you too much?

You refuse to take a stand because someone might think said evil is good... what do YOU believe in?
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No, I refuse to take a stand because I don't consider mental illness or even selfishness to be evil. And again, even in the area of selfishness I believe that every act is a selfish act. There are varying degrees of selfishness, absolutely, but to judge a person for committing a selfish act is a little hypocritica. We are selfish creatures by nature.

What do you mean what do I believe in? Are you referring to religious beliefs or just general ideals/views?
 
MrVicchio said:
Selfish, self centered whore.

There ya go.. she's evil.
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You're right she is selfish. We are all selfish, though, really so if you are using selfishness as a measuring stick of evil you could probably find a bit of evil in all of us. As for the "whore" comment, was that simply meant as an insult or what? That's what kills me about stories like this. People insist on personalizing it and take it as an afront to them personally. I mean, if it helps you feign more outrage, be my guest. I think it's possible, though, to have empathy for people who have horrible things happen to them without inserting idiotic insults that only show how emotionally invested you are in the issue.
 
I hope the bones are Caylee's. Sad to say it, yes, but at least she can finally be laid to rest and we can discover what happened to the poor little girl.

It is clear that Casey has no remorse for what she has allegedly done. It's like Caylee doesn't exist to her - and because of her actions, and reactions, I wouldn't be surprised if her lawyers don't try to argue that she was criminally insane at the time.
 
MrVicchio said:
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I hope the mother suffers for many a long long years... that kid she's so adorable, as a father, these stories make me sick.

I'm glad that they found her, maybe her soul will have peace, and the mother can face the judgment she's due.
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If that is indeed the body of Caylee, I am with you there. However, until we have evidence of that the body belongs to Cayle, we MUST reserve judgment.

:/
 
Cristina said:
I hope the bones are Caylee's. Sad to say it, yes, but at least she can finally be laid to rest and we can discover what happened to the poor little girl.

It is clear that Casey has no remorse for what she has allegedly done. It's like Caylee doesn't exist to her - and because of her actions, and reactions, I wouldn't be surprised if her lawyers don't try to argue that she was criminally insane at the time.
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If that body is Caylee's, then a 738 (mental fitness) exam is warranted. If she is judged incompetant to stand trail, she can certainly spend the rest of eternity in the maximum security wing of the state mental hospital.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Uh, okay. If you want to insult me for my point of view, be my guest. It shows to me that you feel somehow threatened by my point of view. I realize that the idea of moral relativism isn't for everyone and I don't expect everyone to subscribe to it. I have respect for your beliefs, can you not have a similar respect for mine? Or does it just offend you too much?
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Actually, yes moral relativism is a scourge on humanity. It encourages people to avoid taking a stand for anything, it allows evil to act because people are too afraid to pass judgment or take a stand... after all, who are we to decide that they are evil?

It's horrible. If you cannot set a framework of good and evil, right and wrong... anything goes. And further more you automatically incapacitate yourself from being able to stop the action.

A guy I know here at the University got into this one day. The discuss was on bank robberies. He said "If I saw someone rob a bank, and was able to some how stop them, I wouldn't." I asked "Why not?" "Because I don't know why he's robbing the bank, what if he needs that money to pay for a sick child, or feed his family? It's not my place to decide."

I was utterly flabbergasted at his attitude.

So no, I do not respect your opinion, it's fundamentally flawed, inherently dangerous and ultimately destructive to society.

dclxvinoise said:
No, I refuse to take a stand because I don't consider mental illness or even selfishness to be evil. And again, even in the area of selfishness I believe that every act is a selfish act. There are varying degrees of selfishness, absolutely, but to judge a person for committing a selfish act is a little hypocritica. We are selfish creatures by nature.

What do you mean what do I believe in? Are you referring to religious beliefs or just general ideals/views?
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See, you believe in nothing. You are AFRAID to take a stand.
 
MrVicchio said:
Actually, yes moral relativism is a scourge on humanity. It encourages people to avoid taking a stand for anything, it allows evil to act because people are too afraid to pass judgment or take a stand... after all, who are we to decide that they are evil?
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A scourge on humanity? :roll: :lol:
It's just a difference of opinion. Get over yourself. And no, it isn't a method to avoid taking a stand for anything. People can stand up for things all they want without believing in absolute concepts of "good" or "evil". Are you seriously going to imply that the only reason people stand up for things is if they believe in such absolute concepts? Take into account the fact that I'm not saying that these concepts don't exist on individual levels. I'm merely saying that the absolute concepts of "good" or "evil" don't exist.

It's horrible. If you cannot set a framework of good and evil, right and wrong... anything goes. And further more you automatically incapacitate yourself from being able to stop the action.
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You're right, anything does go. Life is unpredictable. To try and define it in such simplistic terms is absurd.

A guy I know here at the University got into this one day. The discuss was on bank robberies. He said "If I saw someone rob a bank, and was able to some how stop them, I wouldn't." I asked "Why not?" "Because I don't know why he's robbing the bank, what if he needs that money to pay for a sick child, or feed his family? It's not my place to decide."

I was utterly flabbergasted at his attitude.
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That's not even the same argument. While I may be a moral relativist, I can certainly see a reason to stop the guy. Self preservation is the highest law. I would try to survive and if that meant attacking the guy then so be it. Though, I probably wouldn't care if he robbed a bank because I'm sure that he would get caught and that my interference into the situation probably wouldn't change it at all. That is what the police are for.
So no, I do not respect your opinion, it's fundamentally flawed, inherently dangerous and ultimately destructive to society.
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Then I could give a rat's ass about your opinion.

See, you believe in nothing. You are AFRAID to take a stand.
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No, I asked for some clarification on your question because it didn't specify whether you were talking about general views/ideals or religious views. I will be more than happy to answer the question if you can clarify it.
 
Without believeing in good or evil, how can you believe in anything? How can you know that your actions are correct?
 
MrVicchio said:
Without believeing in good or evil, how can you believe in anything? How can you know that your actions are correct?
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I know that my actions are correct because I define what my actions are. I am the master of my own destiny and accept responsibility for my own action.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I know that my actions are correct because I define what my actions are. I am the master of my own destiny and accept responsibility for my own action.
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This allows you to take any action you can self justify. You have no measure of right and wrong, good or evil other then what you decide is right and good or wrong and evil.

What about others actions?
 
MrVicchio said:
This allows you to take any action you can self justify. You have no measure of right and wrong, good or evil other then what you decide is right and good or wrong and evil.

What about others actions?
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Yes, of course. However, actions do come with consequences and obviously I take full responsibility for my own actions. I have my own personal definitions of right and wrong, and good or evil. Well, actually I don't really have a definition of "good" or "evil". It mostly is due to the fact that I don't like the words and they has certain implications that I just find ridiculous.

What other actions? Give me some examples.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Yes, of course. However, actions do come with consequences and obviously I take full responsibility for my own actions. I have my own personal definitions of right and wrong, and good or evil. Well, actually I don't really have a definition of "good" or "evil". It mostly is due to the fact that I don't like the words and they has certain implications that I just find ridiculous.

What other actions? Give me some examples.
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I meant the actions of other people.. like someone else does something.. do you even care what they do if it does not effect you personally?

You say there are consequences, applied by who, by what... how do you know these consequences are right?
 
Y'know. I think you're both right. The lines are blurry as to what truly defines what. But there really should be some established perimeters defining what is evil or not. Something on paper.

That is not to say, for one second, that a person will subscribe to said boundries in their actions. But it would take some of the gray area out of what is and what isn't.

I want to be proteced from the people who do not consider their actions to be evil.
 
MrVicchio said:
I meant the actions of other people.. like someone else does something.. do you even care what they do if it does not effect you personally?
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If it is something that doesn't affect me or someone that I care about then it's hard for me to care a lot, just as it is for most people. I'm not going to pretend to have the same amount of empathy for others that I would about the people that I care about. Typically when people do feel empathy for others it is because they imagine themselves or loved ones of theirs in a similar situation. So in that way I would care, but it would be limited to empathizing based on imagining myself or people I care about in that situation.

You say there are consequences, applied by who, by what... how do you know these consequences are right?
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Well, actions of others and the law. If I do something I should know the consequences of my actions. If I don't fully consider those actions and do it anyway I have nobody but myself to blame. Few people take responsibility for their own actions. Particularly in the religious community people like to use the devil as a scapegoat and say things like "the devil made me do it" or "it was God's will." I don't have to agree with the consequences of my actions in order for them to affect me because I'm only in control of my own actions.
 
Captain America said:
Y'know. I think you're both right. The lines are blurry as to what truly defines what. But there really should be some established perimeters defining what is evil or not. Something on paper.

That is not to say, for one second, that a person will subscribe to said boundries in their actions. But it would take some of the gray area out of what is and what isn't.
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That's the unfortunate thing, though. People are far individualistic to universally subscribe to such things.

I want to be proteced from the people who do not consider their actions to be evil.
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But how can you be? And what type of actions are you referring to specifically?
 
dclxvinoise said:
That's the unfortunate thing, though. People are far individualistic to universally subscribe to such things.



But how can you be? And what type of actions are you referring to specifically?
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See, you can't comprehend the term "evil acts"... that's not a good thing ya know?
 
Dipping away from the "what is evil" discussion, even if the bones are Caylee's the mother won't automatically be charged with her murder unless there is hard evidence to back it up. She can be charged with felony child neglect, because the fact that she did not know where her toddler was for over a month can be documented. But unless they can determine a definitive cause of death, and tie the mother to that death with evidence, I don't think they can even bring her to trial.
 
DiAnna said:
Dipping away from the "what is evil" discussion, even if the bones are Caylee's the mother won't automatically be charged with her murder unless there is hard evidence to back it up. She can be charged with felony child neglect, because the fact that she did not know where her toddler was for over a month can be documented. But unless they can determine a definitive cause of death, and tie the mother to that death with evidence, I don't think they can even bring her to trial.
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They could get her to crack and confess. They'll lie and say they have the evidence and they'll go easier on her if she confesses.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
They could get her to crack and confess. They'll lie and say they have the evidence and they'll go easier on her if she confesses.
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If they could've, they would've already. They've tried.
She either didn't do it, doesn't know that she did it, or doesn't give a crap.
She's not admitting ****.
 
And how did this prove that Casey Anthony did it? We don't even know if this is Caylee.
We have to wait to see if more evidence comes from this.
If it doesn't, this trial will be ongoing.

Innocent until proven guilty.

It is very sad to see that a young child was murdered. It is no surprise if it is Caylee. She has been missing for many months.
 
1069 said:
If they could've, they would've already. They've tried.
She either didn't do it, doesn't know that she did it, or doesn't give a crap.
She's not admitting ****.
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You may be right. But if the cops are any good, I think they'll get her. I don't think she has the impulse control to wait to sell her story to Hollywood.
 
1069 said:
If they could've, they would've already. They've tried.
She either didn't do it, doesn't know that she did it, or doesn't give a crap.
She's not admitting ****.
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True. She was in jail for months, interrogated every day, and kept her mouth zipped shut. If she doesn't talk, they don't have enough evidence to charge her with murder even if the bones are her daughter's. And she knows it.
 
Captain America said:
Y'know. I think you're both right. The lines are blurry as to what truly defines what. But there really should be some established perimeters defining what is evil or not. Something on paper.

That is not to say, for one second, that a person will subscribe to said boundries in their actions. But it would take some of the gray area out of what is and what isn't.

I want to be proteced from the people who do not consider their actions to be evil.
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You mean like laws?
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction.
Here's my prediction.
It's going to turn out that the kid died accidentally while her mother was off fooling around somewhere and being negligent.
And then her mother freaked out and hid the body, and managed to convince herself- if no one else- that she had no clue what had happened to the child.
 
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