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Gays movement without support

sazerac said:
Yeah, I don't think the pay is too low.

The schools need to stop being intimidated by idiot parents. "If you don't like how we discipline your child then teach him yourself!"

If they're not being taught at home then make the school hours longer. We've been blaming lack of parental involvement for decades and it's time to realize it will never happen.
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I know how to punish poor parents...make their useless kids live at home with them....should work for MOST parents.
If we make welfare, food stamps, unemployment, and minimum wage dependent on having a high school diploma, then kids will finish school. The only other choice for them will be to live with mommy and daddy til they die and leave the house to them. Got a younger brother that did just that, only worked 2 years in his whole life in the military. But to his credit, he never married or had kids and somehow lives on a small military disability check. The state will take his house when he dies as he hasn't paid taxes in years.
 
UtahBill said:
I know how to punish poor parents...make their useless kids live at home with them....should work for MOST parents.
If we make welfare, food stamps, unemployment, and minimum wage dependent on having a high school diploma, then kids will finish school. The only other choice for them will be to live with mommy and daddy til they die and leave the house to them. Got a younger brother that did just that, only worked 2 years in his whole life in the military. But to his credit, he never married or had kids and somehow lives on a small military disability check. The state will take his house when he dies as he hasn't paid taxes in years.
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It's such a sin in my city the way we have been allowing the kids to just fail and let the prisons figure it out. The only chance they ever had was private school. You can tell a private school kid from a public school kid like you can tell the difference between night and day. We turn out more black pharmacists than any other city in the world.

Hurricane Katrina was such a blessing in a lot of ways. We are now a model city for urban schools. We do everything accept what we used to do.

Your brother should learn bookkeeping or something that he can do with a disability and earn some extra money. If he's able to. Just a suggestion. He did serve in the military and is entitled to compensation.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Because its education that only the government approves, not what the parents or citizenry thinks should be approved. If the government wants kids to sing "heil Obama", they can.
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That wasn't the way it was where I went to school. The parents were involved with the curriculum. That's the whole point of schools being local entities and not federal entities. Rural people want their kids taught one way and city people want them taught another way.

I remember once my mom got mad that the elementary school was showing us some African documentary film that showed boobies. That was the end of boobies in 6th grade. ;)
 
sazerac said:
It's such a sin in my city the way we have been allowing the kids to just fail and let the prisons figure it out. The only chance they ever had was private school. You can tell a private school kid from a public school kid like you can tell the difference between night and day. We turn out more black pharmacists than any other city in the world.

Hurricane Katrina was such a blessing in a lot of ways. We are now a model city for urban schools. We do everything accept what we used to do.

Your brother should learn bookkeeping or something that he can do with a disability and earn some extra money. If he's able to. Just a suggestion. He did serve in the military and is entitled to compensation.
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My brother is 59, has emphysema, lives in the sticks, and doesn't WANT to work. He is not really disabled to the point that he cannot work. His disability is based on poor hearing, which was bad when he went into the navy and it got worse, but he hears better than me in our old age. My hearing loss was gradual, his occurred over a short time and never got worse. He has been offered welding jobs, a skill he learned in the navy, but wouldn't move to where the work is. Our sister even offered to house him until he saved enough to get into his own apartment. He turned it down....
SOME people you can't help...
The school system may have failed him, though. He was clearly in need of extra help in some areas, and my parents never seemed to be concerned about any of us when it came to education.
Our school counselors only met with future college types, and the few who were causing trouble. The rest of us got nothing from them...
 
JMak said:
I love the low pay argument...I have a bro-in-law that after finishing a Master's program in curriculum development in what is essentially a correspondence program here in Detroit, he'll be earning nearly 70K. And he's a gym/health teacher. We're not even talking reading, writing, math teacher, but a gym teacher.

I have nother pal from college that's essentially doing the same thing...but getting a PhD in administration while attending class maybe four times a semester for three hours per session. He's a high school civis teacher. Upon receiving the degree...bam - 76K with three more steps in that pay range.

Sorry, the low pay bit goes nowhere. Just as low government funding for education goes nowhere when we realize that highest-spending school districts like DC fail to grad 50% of its students.
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depends on where you are....you couldn't pay me enough to teach in Detroit or DC....:lol:
 
sazerac said:
That wasn't the way it was where I went to school. The parents were involved with the curriculum. That's the whole point of schools being local entities and not federal entities. Rural people want their kids taught one way and city people want them taught another way.

I remember once my mom got mad that the elementary school was showing us some African documentary film that showed boobies. That was the end of boobies in 6th grade. ;)
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Unfortunately, we do not have the same parents now that we did back then. Really, parents today WERE the kids of the 60's, 70's, and 80's! Do you really think they are any more responsible now? Just because you didn't go through indoctrinated doesn't mean it doesn't exist today, or that there isn't even a danger.

Its easier to prevent the problem now, than it is to deal with it later. Private schools are more responsive to those parent's who send their kids their. Get rid of public schools and make private schools MUCH more cost effective (you know, the average american child should still have the ability to attend private school, and I mean average american, not average rich kid.)
 
What about gay teachers either in public or private schools?

My older son came home one day complaining that a bully became different that day and was kissing the male students around. I sent a verbal complaint to my son's teacher because I didn't want to iniciate any great scandal about that child's behaviours. (elementary school)

The teacher gave me an arrogant respond and I just let it go.

It happens that years later I passed by a bar which is known to be for gays and through the window I saw such a teacher talking to other dudes inside. I went to the restaurant located besides that bar and I ordered a drink to be taken in the outside tables. From this place I started to watch him and I was laughing inside me remembering how he responded my complaint. By things of destiny, he looked outside the window and he also recognized me. He stop playing with his friends but later on it appears that he changed his mind. He came out of that bar and standing at the front door he showed them -and me- his ass (he didn't put his pants down...just in case) and moving it from one place to another he screamed to his friends that he was a "b*tch". He left the place walking funny not because he was gay but because he was drunk.

Well, he used to be a teacher of my son, and I do not object anything if a gay becomes to be a teacher until that day, he never touched my boy and I guess neither to other students, but it appears that he supported a homosexual related behaviour from students "against" other students.

And such piss me off.

I think that homosexuals better won't be accepted for key jobs like teachers, specially for small children. Unfortunately this teacher never showed his homosexuality in school, at least in front of the parents of the students. I guess that many parents should be in warning status if they knew that this teacher was gay.
 
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Actually gay marriage is probably eugenic, which would
explain why the rulers might rig the vote machines against it.
They don't like competition by other groups.

The real issue is: should government have any say in
who gets to breed. We need to face that issue.
 
lawshume said:
Actually gay marriage is probably eugenic, which would
explain why the rulers might rig the vote machines against it.
They don't like competition by other groups.

The real issue is: should government have any say in
who gets to breed. We need to face that issue.
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If we have to get a license for a dog, we should at least have to pass a parenting test to have a child....a parenting class in 8th grade would be nice...
and certainly if the village is going to be asked to help raise the child, the village elders should have some say on who gets to breed.
(I have relatives that probably shouldn't have had kids)
 
Wow, now we're getting into gays and eugenics. It just goes to show what kind of culture war is ahead once science knows how to apply gene therapy effectively, assuming homosexuality is genetic, of course. Did the lessons of WWII fail to pass on to the current generation or something?
 
conquer said:
What about gay teachers either in public or private schools?

My older son came home one day complaining that a bully became different that day and was kissing the male students around. I sent a verbal complaint to my son's teacher because I didn't want to iniciate any great scandal about that child's behaviours. (elementary school)

The teacher gave me an arrogant respond and I just let it go.

It happens that years later I passed by a bar which is known to be for gays and through the window I saw such a teacher talking to other dudes inside. I went to the restaurant located besides that bar and I ordered a drink to be taken in the outside tables. From this place I started to watch him and I was laughing inside me remembering how he responded my complaint. By things of destiny, he looked outside the window and he also recognized me. He stop playing with his friends but later on it appears that he changed his mind. He came out of that bar and standing at the front door he showed them -and me- his ass (he didn't put his pants down...just in case) and moving it from one place to another he screamed to his friends that he was a "b*tch". He left the place walking funny not because he was gay but because he was drunk.

Well, he used to be a teacher of my son, and I do not object anything if a gay becomes to be a teacher until that day, he never touched my boy and I guess neither to other students, but it appears that he supported a homosexual related behaviour from students "against" other students.

And such piss me off.

I think that homosexuals better won't be accepted for key jobs like teachers, specially for small children. Unfortunately this teacher never showed his homosexuality in school, at least in front of the parents of the students. I guess that many parents should be in warning status if they knew that this teacher was gay.
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I would think that this gentleman's behavior has less to do with his sexuality and more to do with him being a douchebag. He just happens to express his douchebaggedness in a way that references his gaydom. I've had at least a couple of douchebag heterosexual teachers. I've only had one gay teacher that I'm aware of, and he was alright. He had impressive hair.
 
sazerac said:
I really don't see why anybody without children should get any sort of special help from the government.

Only people with children should get financial benefits, straight or gay.
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No.

That is wrong. That is a VERY Republican POV. It's wrong, it's based on greedy ********ers on the right not wanting to help better society, and it's a POV that displays a COMPLETE indifference to the lower classes in American society.

The next time you become unemployed ... make sure to tell the people at the UI office how you feel.

Then you can be foolish AND hungry.

:roll:
 
conquer said:
What about gay teachers either in public or private schools?

My older son came home one day complaining that a bully became different that day and was kissing the male students around. I sent a verbal complaint to my son's teacher because I didn't want to iniciate any great scandal about that child's behaviours. (elementary school)

The teacher gave me an arrogant respond and I just let it go.

It happens that years later I passed by a bar which is known to be for gays and through the window I saw such a teacher talking to other dudes inside. I went to the restaurant located besides that bar and I ordered a drink to be taken in the outside tables. From this place I started to watch him and I was laughing inside me remembering how he responded my complaint. By things of destiny, he looked outside the window and he also recognized me. He stop playing with his friends but later on it appears that he changed his mind. He came out of that bar and standing at the front door he showed them -and me- his ass (he didn't put his pants down...just in case) and moving it from one place to another he screamed to his friends that he was a "b*tch". He left the place walking funny not because he was gay but because he was drunk.

Well, he used to be a teacher of my son, and I do not object anything if a gay becomes to be a teacher until that day, he never touched my boy and I guess neither to other students, but it appears that he supported a homosexual related behaviour from students "against" other students.

And such piss me off.

I think that homosexuals better won't be accepted for key jobs like teachers, specially for small children. Unfortunately this teacher never showed his homosexuality in school, at least in front of the parents of the students. I guess that many parents should be in warning status if they knew that this teacher was gay.
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I don't think it's necessary for anyone to show their "gayness" to ANYone else. Keep it to yourselves, because I don't care and you don't deserve special "rights" because of it.:gunner:
 
lawshume said:
Actually gay marriage is probably eugenic, which would
explain why the rulers might rig the vote machines against it.
They don't like competition by other groups.

The real issue is: should government have any say in
who gets to breed. We need to face that issue.
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Gays can't breed, so what's your point?:shock:
 
UtahBill said:
If we have to get a license for a dog, we should at least have to pass a parenting test to have a child....a parenting class in 8th grade would be nice...
and certainly if the village is going to be asked to help raise the child, the village elders should have some say on who gets to breed.
(I have relatives that probably shouldn't have had kids)
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Where I live, they ARE giving so-called "parenting" classes in high school. The student has to carry a stupid doll around all day just like a real baby. One of the kids was caught stuffing her baby in the locker!:rofl
 
Invayne said:
Gays can't breed, so what's your point?:shock:
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Gays can breed. Why do you think that their reproductive systems are defective?

Straight people use surrogates too.

Would you allow bi-sexual marriage?
 
conquer said:
What about gay teachers either in public or private schools?

My older son came home one day complaining that a bully became different that day and was kissing the male students around. I sent a verbal complaint to my son's teacher because I didn't want to iniciate any great scandal about that child's behaviours. (elementary school)

The teacher gave me an arrogant respond and I just let it go.

It happens that years later I passed by a bar which is known to be for gays and through the window I saw such a teacher talking to other dudes inside. I went to the restaurant located besides that bar and I ordered a drink to be taken in the outside tables. From this place I started to watch him and I was laughing inside me remembering how he responded my complaint. By things of destiny, he looked outside the window and he also recognized me. He stop playing with his friends but later on it appears that he changed his mind. He came out of that bar and standing at the front door he showed them -and me- his ass (he didn't put his pants down...just in case) and moving it from one place to another he screamed to his friends that he was a "b*tch". He left the place walking funny not because he was gay but because he was drunk.
Well, he used to be a teacher of my son, and I do not object anything if a gay becomes to be a teacher until that day, he never touched my boy and I guess neither to other students, but it appears that he supported a homosexual related behaviour from students "against" other students.And such piss me off.

I think that homosexuals better won't be accepted for key jobs like teachers, specially for small children. Unfortunately this teacher never showed his homosexuality in school, at least in front of the parents of the students. I guess that many parents should be in warning status if they knew that this teacher was gay.
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The parts in bold I find rather incredulous. A bully kissing other male students? The teacher walking funny, not cause he was gay mind you, but drunk? I smell B.S.

Wouldn't it be nice to hear the teacher's(if there is one) side of these events? But since we get only your supposed side, I guess we just get to hear about those darn gays being gay.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Gays can breed. Why do you think that their reproductive systems are defective?

Straight people use surrogates too.

Would you allow bi-sexual marriage?
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Oh, I didn't know a man could get another man pregnant. I guess I DO need to watch the news more often.:lol:

Surrogates, yes, but they can't do it on their own.

And what do I care about bisexual marriage?:shock:
 
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Invayne said:
Oh, I didn't know a man could get another man pregnant. I guess I DO need to watch the news more often.:lol:

Surrogates, yes, but they can't do it on their own.

And what do I care about bisexual marriage?:shock:
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Even gay men's testes produce sperm. Lots of gay people have kids. Are you saying that if you have kids you have given up the right to be gay.

According to Kinsey, we are all bisexual, it's just to what extent. My point is that bisexual people very well may have kids but want to have a gay marriage. It's not an either/or situation.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Even gay men's testes produce sperm. Lots of gay people have kids. Are you saying that if you have kids you have given up the right to be gay.

According to Kinsey, we are all bisexual, it's just to what extent. My point is that bisexual people very well may have kids but want to have a gay marriage. It's not an either/or situation.
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I think Kinsey is full of ****. Women don't turn me on.;)
 
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Ikari said:
To a degree. There will always be people who want kids and will have them. And we can supplement with immigration.
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Screw immigration and the ethnic and cultural destruction that goes along with it!

Importing third world baby factories to diminish the political direction of endemic ethnicities, from countries whose ethnic populations are already globally assigned and overwhelming, is villainy.

Meniacle corporatism seeks to exploit the lower economic status of immigrants, while forcing the endemic population to finance and supplement the wages and development services for the imported less fortunate.

All the while corporatism is selling humanistic flatulence of good will opportunity and promise.

There is plenty of wealth and personell to make even the most menial tasks desireable, even if only those overqualified are available to complete them; the society simply has to affirm the value of individuals willing to do perform those tasks.

Many tasks can be accomplished through organization and voluntary community.

A reduction in global population may eventually lead to usery taxation to curtail and reverse its growth, that could work great.

However, it is ridiculous to offset endemic population reduction (to minimize resource useage) by importing immigrants, and reducing population should not be an excuse to destroy the ethnicity of peoples who could very well support themselves without being forced into the expense of cutting their own throats by paying for corporate greed and by paying for immigrants they did not need in the first place.
 
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