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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Whoa! I think you have that ass backwards!

    Public school is a failure. Why is it that so many people graduate and can't read or give change without looking at the cash register to see how much to give back?
    I think that has more to do with the lack of care given by teachers due to their low pay coupled with the fact that the youth are generally pretty complacent and lazy because they have so much to distract them; ie. tv, movies, videogames, internet, etc. It has to do with the times that we are living in, not the public school system. These problems you listed weren't as problematic 10 or more years ago.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    strange, tho, with all that leftist brainwashing we are still about 50% conservatives...
    I never heard any of it, but my kids heard a little. I told them to ignore the BS and learn the truth for themselves. They are moderates as well....recognizing that truth can come from any side of an issue, as can lies...
    That's because they have parents that care what their kids are learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    That's because they have parents that care what their kids are learning.
    It could also have something to do with the fact that very few schools actually try to indoctrinate the kids with political views and that when it does happen it's very little. Political views don't fit into every single facet of curriculum that is taught at public school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You get out of education what you put into it....and lots of kids put in very little. We will always need minimum wage workers for the easy jobs. Public school prepared my kids for college well enough, but then, they had mean parents.
    Mean parents....GOOD!

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I think that has more to do with the lack of care given by teachers due to their low pay coupled with the fact that the youth are generally pretty complacent and lazy because they have so much to distract them; ie. tv, movies, videogames, internet, etc. It has to do with the times that we are living in, not the public school system. These problems you listed weren't as problematic 10 or more years ago.
    It figures that sooner or later someone would blame the teachers. I have experience there, and can say that SOME teachers suck. BUT, for the most part, it is the lack of parental involvement.
    No teacher is able to undo in the classroom what the parents screwed up at home.
    The biggest problem is with dropouts. We should not allow that to happen. They can test out, but not drop out....
    Now back to our regularly scheduled program, Gays movement without support.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It could also have something to do with the fact that very few schools actually try to indoctrinate the kids with political views and that when it does happen it's very little. Political views don't fit into every single facet of curriculum that is taught at public school.
    You wouldn't believe the crap my neighbor's kids told me....

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I thought this thread was about some gay's bowel movement. It made sense to me because, well... you know...
    Now that's funny.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I already know Japanese. Besides, my career (scientist) puts me well in contact with the international community. Our birth rate is at replacement and with immigration we are slightly above.
    Our birth rate is what, 2.3. Replacement rate is 2.1%. And it's been falling in the US for decades now.

    Also, legal immigration may be slightly above. The problem is that illegal immigration is about to amnestied which will blow out of the water our immigration rate.

    Now, this knee-jerk reactionary "learn a bunch of new languages" blah blah blah may work if we were talking completely open immigration; but that's not the case.
    I would say that legalizing 12-20 million illegals constitutes open immigration. Any time limits on legal immigration are discussed the multiculti's go up in arms calling the US racist and discriminatory. Believing that the US has the will to control immigration is a fool's belief.

    We can increase immigration from its current standing and still leave time for assimilation into our society.
    That works if assimilation was actuall a priority. As we see the federal government, via judicial fiat, constantly expanding the number of recognized minority groups, providing government documents in multiple languages, etc., there's no incentivize or really need to assmiliate. Hell, in addition to breathing, reproduction, walking being defined as "major life functions" by the ADA effective 1/1/09, I don't think it will be soon before we see that the inability to speak English is classified as a covered disability requiring employers and schools to accomodate.

    We have enough people wishing to immigrate that we can always take from that pool (plus immigration is good for a society).
    Only if we assmiliate them. And efforts to assimilate are being severely diluted. We need only look to this past year's Muslim riots in France to see how "immigration is good for society" is working out. You cannot seriously argue that assimilation programs here in the US are being strenghtened.

    Removing the entanglement of state and marriage can only force us to reevaluate our overall tax policies and would remove the same sex marriage problem (as you can then nix the marriage license and return marriage fully to the realm of the Church).
    The Netherlands is blasting full-ahead on such an endeavor. Give it some time, of course, but I don't see the Netherlands birth rate bouncing back and, more importantly, "supplemental" immigration is going to fundamentally alter that small nation's cultural foundation and probably not for the better.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It figures that sooner or later someone would blame the teachers. I have experience there, and can say that SOME teachers suck. BUT, for the most part, it is the lack of parental involvement.
    No teacher is able to undo in the classroom what the parents screwed up at home.
    The biggest problem is with dropouts. We should not allow that to happen. They can test out, but not drop out....
    Now back to our regularly scheduled program, Gays movement without support.
    Oh. I forgot about that!

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    You wouldn't believe the crap my neighbor's kids told me....
    happens in sunday school, too....all kinds of people out there with all kinds of strange ideas, which is why we need public schools that are better managed. The bad teachers and administrators get fired, the lazy kids get permanent detention until they get their work done, and the bad parents pay hefty fines for attempting to raise future welfare recipients.
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