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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    To a degree. There will always be people who want kids and will have them. And we can supplement with immigration.
    then I suggest you home school yourself in 5 or 6 other languages so you can converse with the new owners of the USA....
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Well, I'm glad one person agrees with me!

    Only thing is, if that happens, all that there will be left is private schools, which tend to be quite expensive for middle class people to afford.
    Competition will bring prices down, no? And anyway, we're paying WAY TOO MUCH for a public school system that does nothing but brainwash and teach politically correct nonsense. PLUS, only the people with children will be paying for it, which is fine by me.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    What would eliminating public schooling afford us? Is there any positive side to this?
    Yeah, your kids would get an education instead of being brainwashed with leftist bull****.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    To a degree. There will always be people who want kids and will have them. And we can supplement with immigration.
    Supplement? You mean replace, right? "Supplement" here in the US has been determined to constitute unlimited immigration lest the US reveal its true racist character.

    Europe is trying to "supplement" it's population and they're struggling like hell to maintain their unique national identities.

    I know, I know, nationalism and national identity is all so racist and nativist these days, but you know what, I kinda like the English language, a justice system based on western principles, religious freedom, etc.

    "Supplementing" our population without requiring assimilation is national sucide. For a look at what that looks like just look at the balkanization of Europe's major cities. We see Muslims self-segregating throughout Europe. We Somali immigrants self-segregating thoughout England.

    Of course, this is a major consequence of multiculturalism's explicit attempts to obscure, at best and eliminate, at worst, national identities because such identities are so oppressive because they force immigrants to assimilate and adopt and respect the host country's laws and cultural norms.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    then I suggest you home school yourself in 5 or 6 other languages so you can converse with the new owners of the USA....
    I already know Japanese. Besides, my career (scientist) puts me well in contact with the international community. Our birth rate is at replacement and with immigration we are slightly above. Now, this knee-jerk reactionary "learn a bunch of new languages" blah blah blah may work if we were talking completely open immigration; but that's not the case. We can increase immigration from its current standing and still leave time for assimilation into our society. We have enough people wishing to immigrate that we can always take from that pool (plus immigration is good for a society). Additionally, even if we remove tax "incentives" or at the very least restrict them so you can't keep claiming money the more and more kids you have; we won't be dropping our birth rate to those say like Japan. Japan has many cultural problems which also currently lead to its problem. Russia has a high, early death rate. Most of Europe I think gave up on sex. People will not stop having families. Removing the entanglement of state and marriage can only force us to reevaluate our overall tax policies and would remove the same sex marriage problem (as you can then nix the marriage license and return marriage fully to the realm of the Church).
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Don't you think that would cause a kind of a cluster**** in our current system? Politics aside, there is an agreed curriculum throughout the public system and it hasn't really failed us. If you remove the public school system and don't have at least some kind of regulation then private schools would pop up that teach completely absurd ideals that simply aren't true. We would be putting people through these private schools with completely absurd ideals and placing them on a similar level with normal rational people. I just see it kind of turning into a huge mess. Then again, I could be wrong.
    Whoa! I think you have that ass backwards!

    Public school is a failure. Why is it that so many people graduate and can't read or give change without looking at the cash register to see how much to give back?

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Yeah, your kids would get an education instead of being brainwashed with leftist bull****.
    strange, tho, with all that leftist brainwashing we are still about 50% conservatives...
    I never heard any of it, but my kids heard a little. I told them to ignore the BS and learn the truth for themselves. They are moderates as well....recognizing that truth can come from any side of an issue, as can lies...
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then quit making me pay for them.
    He's not making you pay for them, the government is. You ain't seen nothin yet!

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Private sector could take care of it. Want to send your kids to school? Fine, but pay your own way for it.
    I disagree. As a culture we tend to believe that some level of public education is valuable because it tends to assimilate/socialize children into our society to respect our government institutions, respect our laws, etc. As well, as a nation we recognize that some level of education is a determining factor in our nation's survival. Therefore, education presents a compelling justification for government action. Of course, the issue then is degree.

    I think the major gripe about the public education system in the US is two-fold: a) it's been co-opted by multiculturalists to the point where American children now know more about MLK, Jr than they do the nation's founding and have been so indoctrinated with this cultural and moral relativism that the US is no better or worse than, say, North Korea; and b) it's been turned into a jobs program by liberal legislators and their union supporters.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Whoa! I think you have that ass backwards!

    Public school is a failure. Why is it that so many people graduate and can't read or give change without looking at the cash register to see how much to give back?
    You get out of education what you put into it....and lots of kids put in very little. We will always need minimum wage workers for the easy jobs. Public school prepared my kids for college well enough, but then, they had mean parents.
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