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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Well, I'm glad one person agrees with me!

    Only thing is, if that happens, all that there will be left is private schools, which tend to be quite expensive for middle class people to afford.
    What would eliminating public schooling afford us? Is there any positive side to this?
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    What would eliminating public schooling afford us? Is there any positive side to this?
    Because its education that only the government approves, not what the parents or citizenry thinks should be approved. If the government wants kids to sing "heil Obama", they can.

    Now, I do agree that we cannot eliminate public schooling without making it cost-easier for parents to give their kids schooling at home, or at private schools.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Because its education that only the government approves, not what the parents or citizenry thinks should be approved. If the government wants kids to sing "heil Obama", they can.

    Now, I do agree that we cannot eliminate public schooling without making it cost-easier for parents to give their kids schooling at home, or at private schools.
    Okay. I'll go with that.

    Why then should we eliminate it and not just work on making private or homeschooling easier on the pocket as well?

    More choice = good imo.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Okay. I'll go with that.

    Why then should we eliminate it and not just work on making private or homeschooling easier on the pocket as well?

    More choice = good imo.
    Because making it more cost effective will 1)cost more money and 2)cause more parents to go to private schools, and if parents are going to go to private schools, why waste money on public schools? At least localize public schools so that it frees the Fed of the burden.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Well, I'm glad one person agrees with me!

    Only thing is, if that happens, all that there will be left is private schools, which tend to be quite expensive for middle class people to afford.
    In addition with the school being private, they can pick and choose whoever they admit. Which sadly is one of the negatives to an all private school system.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Because its education that only the government approves, not what the parents or citizenry thinks should be approved. If the government wants kids to sing "heil Obama", they can.

    Now, I do agree that we cannot eliminate public schooling without making it cost-easier for parents to give their kids schooling at home, or at private schools.
    Don't you think that would cause a kind of a cluster**** in our current system? Politics aside, there is an agreed curriculum throughout the public system and it hasn't really failed us. If you remove the public school system and don't have at least some kind of regulation then private schools would pop up that teach completely absurd ideals that simply aren't true. We would be putting people through these private schools with completely absurd ideals and placing them on a similar level with normal rational people. I just see it kind of turning into a huge mess. Then again, I could be wrong.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're not raising my kids, not even close. But you wouldn't understand that since you have none.
    Then quit making me pay for them.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Unfortunately, thats also a very fragile position.
    To a degree. There will always be people who want kids and will have them. And we can supplement with immigration.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Don't you think that would cause a kind of a cluster**** in our current system? Politics aside, there is an agreed curriculum throughout the public system and it hasn't really failed us. If you remove the public school system and don't have at least some kind of regulation then private schools would pop up that teach completely absurd ideals that simply aren't true. We would be putting people through these private schools with completely absurd ideals and placing them on a similar level with normal rational people. I just see it kind of turning into a huge mess. Then again, I could be wrong.
    Private sector could take care of it. Want to send your kids to school? Fine, but pay your own way for it.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There should be no tax relief, or if there is it should be limited. 3K per kid without limit, you can birth yourself out of taxes. If your contention is that you have to have these tax breaks to raise children, then maybe that says that the overall tax rate is too high.

    Why is it that a lot of resistance to the "pay your own way" doctrine comes from the very same people who argue the rich should keep more of their money? They earned it, they should keep it right? Well I earn mine too, why do I need to pay for you? Also, minimum wage should be abolished.
    Well, I think that we have to recognize that, responsibly or otherwise, the tax code has been used (abused) in a social engineering kind of way. Whether via incentives to promote behaviors (saving for retirement, purchasing hybrid vehicles) or via disincentives to disincentivize other behaviors (smoking, energy use). Hence, it's not surprising to recognize that the tax code then provides tax incentives for having children and provides tax advantages for married couples. These incentives/advantages reflect what, imo, is a compelling interest to the State - promoting marriage and procreation.

    Now, I'm not sure what you mean by the pay your own way doctrine, though I am presuming that you're referring to resistance to government actions repealing these benefits or advantages. As such, I see no hypocrisy. The resistance ain't to paying your own way but a resistance to the federal government choosing to no longer incentivize marriage and procreation. Like me, they recognize a compelling interest for the government to encourage the existence of our society rather than adopting a national suicide pact as it discourages the regeneration of our own society.

    Reproductive rates are so bad among western nations that one, Japan, is now directing employers to permit workers to leave work early in order to encourage sexual activity and reproduction. Western nations, and the US is on the borderline, are for the most part in negative replacement right now. In other words, unlike the US where birth rates per woman hover just above 2 per, you see elss than 2 across the Europe. Hell, even China is facing a similar birth dearth. Meanwhile, Muslims nations, African nations, and most Latin American nations are reproducing like rats. There's a strategic issue there that very few people are paying attention to.

    It's also why they, like me, would argue that granting unprecedent access to terrorists and unlawful combatants and not permitting our intelligence services to use physically coervice interrogation techniques because we may offend Russia, China, Sudan, Iran, North Korea is simply signing a national suicide pact. Doing so virtually guarantees we won't be able to defend ourselves.

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