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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Because "kids" are more than just "kids". They are the country's future. Thats why having a lot of children used to be important. They secured the existence of the nation.
    That's fine, but it's not my job to raise your kids. That's fact. How many people rallied against the "It takes a village" nonsense Hillary spewed? It doesn't take a a village, it takes responsible adults. Maybe I don't want kids, why should I be paying for everyone else's kids then? I didn't make the choice, you did. Live by it. Children do eventually bring benefit, and they will have to work and do what they can and maybe have kids of their own; but it's all individual choice. I shouldn't be held financially responsible for your choice to have kids. Why do I have to pay for schools? Because it provides some benefit to society? Great, good job doing a duty to "society". But it was your choice, it is then your responsibility. I didn't agree to help raise your kids, so you should quit stealing from me in order to do it.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

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    So do you think married people should get special benefits who don't have any children? And why?
    I don't think married people should get any special benefits.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post


    The average birth rate in america disgrees with your assessment.

    So, whos fault is that, again?
    We're doing great. We're at replacement, just a tad above with immigration. That's exactly where you want to be. Unlike most of the West and Japan who have negative population growth. We're currently having just the right number of offspring.
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    I can see it now, no tax relief for kids, so the birth rate drops and next thing you know we have to import cheap labor from foreign countries to wipe the asses of the elderly in the nursing homes....either that or pay minimum wage of $1000.00 per hour for the local citizen raised and educated at great expense to his or her family....
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I can see it now, no tax relief for kids, so the birth rate drops and next thing you know we have to import cheap labor from foreign countries to wipe the asses of the elderly in the nursing homes....either that or pay minimum wage of $1000.00 per hour for the local citizen raised and educated at great expense to his or her family....
    There should be no tax relief, or if there is it should be limited. 3K per kid without limit, you can birth yourself out of taxes. If your contention is that you have to have these tax breaks to raise children, then maybe that says that the overall tax rate is too high.

    Why is it that a lot of resistance to the "pay your own way" doctrine comes from the very same people who argue the rich should keep more of their money? They earned it, they should keep it right? Well I earn mine too, why do I need to pay for you? Also, minimum wage should be abolished.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's fine, but it's not my job to raise your kids. That's fact. How many people rallied against the "It takes a village" nonsense Hillary spewed? It doesn't take a a village, it takes responsible adults. Maybe I don't want kids, why should I be paying for everyone else's kids then? I didn't make the choice, you did. Live by it. Children do eventually bring benefit, and they will have to work and do what they can and maybe have kids of their own; but it's all individual choice. I shouldn't be held financially responsible for your choice to have kids. Why do I have to pay for schools? Because it provides some benefit to society? Great, good job doing a duty to "society". But it was your choice, it is then your responsibility. I didn't agree to help raise your kids, so you should quit stealing from me in order to do it.
    So, you think we should get rid of the public school system then?

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    So, you think we should get rid of the public school system then?
    YES!!!

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're doing great. We're at replacement, just a tad above with immigration. That's exactly where you want to be. Unlike most of the West and Japan who have negative population growth. We're currently having just the right number of offspring.
    Unfortunately, thats also a very fragile position.

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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's fine, but it's not my job to raise your kids. That's fact. How many people rallied against the "It takes a village" nonsense Hillary spewed? It doesn't take a a village, it takes responsible adults. Maybe I don't want kids, why should I be paying for everyone else's kids then? I didn't make the choice, you did. Live by it. Children do eventually bring benefit, and they will have to work and do what they can and maybe have kids of their own; but it's all individual choice. I shouldn't be held financially responsible for your choice to have kids. Why do I have to pay for schools? Because it provides some benefit to society? Great, good job doing a duty to "society". But it was your choice, it is then your responsibility. I didn't agree to help raise your kids, so you should quit stealing from me in order to do it.
    You're not raising my kids, not even close. But you wouldn't understand that since you have none.
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    Re: Gays movement without support

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    YES!!!
    Well, I'm glad one person agrees with me!

    Only thing is, if that happens, all that there will be left is private schools, which tend to be quite expensive for middle class people to afford.

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