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Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

Zyphlin said:
And from what I'm reading he's not saying that the governor helped him obtain his political power, unless you think by "cesspool" he's refering to a singular person instead of the plural which the term would usually be used for.

And if it means what it seems his implication is, Illinois politics in general, then that's another story and you're simply wrong. Obama is closely tied with the Illinois political machine and got his start with the help of Chicago and Illinois political figures. Does that mean Obama had anything to do with what this governor did? Not at all. Does that mean Obama is corrupt or has some black marks on him like MUCH of the rest of the Illinois political landscape? Not necessarily. Does it make some of those that are knowledgeable about the political corruption throughout illinois, on BOTH sides, wonder about the likihood of a man coming up through Chicago and somehow not having any or the usual marks on you that people in that machine tend to get? Yes.
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Good point, I think everyone is a little worried about what the outcome could be. You don't get to be as dirty as Rod without knowing the dirty secrets of those around you. If they put enough pressure the pig will squeal and heads will roll in Illinois.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh, I'm sorry...

I must've been confused. See, I thought we were on a debate forum about politics. You know, one where someone makes a statement and other people respond to those statements. Sometimes, that response is critical of the other persons statement because they poster doesn't agree with it or because they feel the information is poorly proposed.

Silly me.

Well, I guess for you its a good thing this isn't a debate forum about politics. Or else I would point out how you didn't "Shine a light on the same type of guilt be association" at all. Because by showing two people, one of which convicted and one of which isn't, and trying to equate that to just one more arrest in a decades old lieneage of corrpution is not "the same type". That's kind of like pointing to someone that has cancer and also eats carrots and going "See, carrots cause cancer just like smoking does. Its the same type of thing!". I mean, if it was a debate forum I would point that out...though I guess if it was a debate site I wouldn't need to point that out because that's what my previous post kind of pointed out...but since its not I guess its not really needed right?

IF this was a debate site as well, I'd point out you're the silly poster here trying to score political points and make this a "left vs right" thing, as evident by your talk about "the other direction" in your post I guess I shouldn't respond to since we're not on a debate site. You see, I see the OP talking about corruption in Illinois politics, not illinois democrat politics. I see Ikari talking about corrupt Illinois and Chicago politicians, not corrupt Illinois and Chicago democrats. Rebelbuc doesn't even talk about the democrats Obama is around, but Chicago.

If you were interested in being anything other than a partisan hack here, and actually read the thread (wait, maybe this isn't a site for reading since apparently you also don't think its a site for debating), you'd see the discussion wasn't about "republican" or "Democrat" but "Illinois Politicians". Which, regardless of party, Obama is one and thus he's mentioned. Republicans are also part of the systemic corruption of Illinois politics for ages on end.

So you shed light on nothing. You made an asanine point because your Spidey like "partisan-sense" went off and you thought "OH OH OH OH OH I can insult Palin and stick it to those mean old republicans!" This is even evident in your next post wanting so badly to have it "cast in the other direction", when in reality no one was casting it in any direction save for towards Illinois. But god forbid your most wonderful and precious Obama be critizied even slightly...if that happens we must attack! We must make some comment, even if it is as close to hitting the actual point or topic of the thread as Virginia is to California.

I would say all that if this was a debate site, but apparently according to you its not. Apparently I'm not supposed to counter asanine, worthless points you make in a debate type style. I'm just supposed to not respond because apparently I was mistaken I was on a forum called "DEBATE Politics".

My apologize rsixing. Continue to enjoy "Soapbox Politics where no one may dare say I'm wrong".
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Further patronizing remarks from you. Nice.

Try debating any merit/or lack thereof in my response rather then talking down to me with "Way to try and score political points and FAIL" and "...was it just a really ****ty attempt to score political points that is laughable outside of a few typical fanboys" and perhaps my responses won't be so defensive. Unless that was your plan all along...?!

:mrgreen:
 
DISCLAIMER: I just want to state for the record that I've never been to Chicago (or Illinois for that matter). My comments in this thread are directed against dirty Chicago politicians and are not in any way meant to show disrespect to the fine citizens of Chicago. [I modeled this appeal to the masses after the oft-quoted claim: "I'm against the war but I love the troops!"]
 
Let me first say that this is all all caused by Barrack Hussein Obama. Because they both live in Illinois.

winston53660 said:
If the governor did something illegal why shouldn't Obama hrow him under the bus?
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Like Palin threw Stevens off the bus?

It is distasteful for public figures condemning citizens or other officials unless they are officially convicted.
 
I heard the news and went out looting and rioting.

Good times. :mrgreen:
 
Zyphlin said:
And from what I'm reading he's not saying that the governor helped him obtain his political power, unless you think by "cesspool" he's refering to a singular person instead of the plural which the term would usually be used for.

And if it means what it seems his implication is, Illinois politics in general, then that's another story and you're simply wrong. Obama is closely tied with the Illinois political machine and got his start with the help of Chicago and Illinois political figures. Does that mean Obama had anything to do with what this governor did? Not at all. Does that mean Obama is corrupt or has some black marks on him like MUCH of the rest of the Illinois political landscape? Not necessarily. Does it make some of those that are knowledgeable about the political corruption throughout illinois, on BOTH sides, wonder about the likihood of a man coming up through Chicago and somehow not having any or the usual marks on you that people in that machine tend to get? Yes.
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The house of cards is going to come down quick - with a domino effect.
 
Ikari said:
How many IL governors does this put into jail? Illinois, thanks to Chicago, is probably the most corrupt body politic in the nation. No one runs corruption and underhanded dealings like Chicago, no one. Of course Obama is dirty as well, you can't come up through Chicago clean; that is the one truth of Illinois politics. You can not come up through Chicago clean.
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No doubt that Blagojevich has to be one of, if not the most corrupt politicians in modern times. It's outrageous that anyone who has the public trust as a governor would use his clout as governor to blackmail people for money and power. I hope he rots in jail and becomes the best girlfriend of the nastiest ones at Jolliet or wherever.

HOWEVER, it is pathetic to accuse Obama of being corrupt when he had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Blagojevich. Guilt by association is as Un-American as it gets and it is too bad that you felt the urge to lower yourself this way.
 
Family Guy said:
HOWEVER, it is pathetic to accuse Obama of being corrupt when he had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Blagojevich. Guilt by association is as Un-American as it gets and it is too bad that you felt the urge to lower yourself this way.
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I didn't say Obama is dirty because of what Blagojevich has done. I said he's dirty cause he came up through Chicago and Chicago is the most corrupted body politic in the country. You can't come up through Chicago clean, it doesn't happen. Daley and his cronies will see to that. It's not guilt through association, it's measured data. Go learn a thing or two about Chicago politics and then come back when you're ready to engage in an intellectually honest debate.
 
Ok, so this guy wanted to bid out the senate seat. Who the **** pays money, to become a senator? Thats like paying somebody to take a dump on your face. Kind of like a reverse Fear Factor.
 
WI Crippler said:
Ok, so this guy wanted to bid out the senate seat. Who the **** pays money, to become a senator? Thats like paying somebody to take a dump on your face. Kind of like a reverse Fear Factor.
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Lots of sick and twisted people out there.
 
WI Crippler said:
Ok, so this guy wanted to bid out the senate seat. Who the **** pays money, to become a senator? Thats like paying somebody to take a dump on your face. Kind of like a reverse Fear Factor.
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And then imagine having to be in the same chamber with Reid.
:thumbdown
 
Family Guy said:
Well we've found a governor that is a whole lot stupider than Palin! Wow!
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Did you hear this stupid comments about how he welcomed people bugging his conversations because everything he says is lawful? What a stupid idiot he is!
 
Ikari said:
How many IL governors does this put into jail? Illinois, thanks to Chicago, is probably the most corrupt body politic in the nation. No one runs corruption and underhanded dealings like Chicago, no one. Of course Obama is dirty as well, you can't come up through Chicago clean; that is the one truth of Illinois politics. You can not come up through Chicago clean.
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And yet Obama comes from Chicago politics, and we are told that he is pure as the driven snow. Since he'll soon have the highest office in the land, we'd better all hope that he is, or things will go from bad to worse real fast.
 
MrVicchio said:
The real question ladies, is who was the Gov. talking to about being an ambassador or getting a cabinet position with. There is more here, and if the FBI has Obama on tape making deals to get the person he wants to take over his seat...
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That's as likely as George W Bush earning a Nobel Prize for Science!
 
WI Crippler said:
Lets see we have got Obama(Chicago), Pelosi(San Fransisco) and Reid(Nevada/Las Vegas). Should be an interesting 4 years. :2razz:
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Should be an amazing 8 years actually. I love the GOP squirm and Obama hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.

Hey Republicans! Don't forget to thank Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Rice, Libby, Cunningham, DeLay, Abramoff and of course Rove for a great 8 years and the incredible legacy they've left behind! :2wave:
 
JMak said:
And this is based on...??

You'd think that the junior Senator, current President-elect would have some influence, no?
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Perhaps you should pay a bit closer attention to what Fitzpatrick actually said today? He answered the question re Obama directly by saying that Obama was not involved in this in anyway at all, period. Did you miss that part of the news conference?
 
Ikari said:
I didn't say Obama is dirty because of what Blagojevich has done. I said he's dirty cause he came up through Chicago and Chicago is the most corrupted body politic in the country. You can't come up through Chicago clean, it doesn't happen. Daley and his cronies will see to that. It's not guilt through association, it's measured data. Go learn a thing or two about Chicago politics and then come back when you're ready to engage in an intellectually honest debate.
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:rofl You ask for me to "come back when you're ready to engage in an intellectually honest debate" when you make a blanket generalization about all Chicago politicians? Are you serious? There is nothing intellectual about falsely accusing Obama without any intellectual evidence of any kind. You prefer to pronounce Obama guilty and you do so claiming your opinion is fact and beyond debate!

With all due respect this post you wrote is anything but intellectual and it is not a debating point either because your mind is made up based on conspiracy theory bull****.

Therefore I ask you to reconsider your rash statement and come back and debate me on what specifically Obama did that was corrupt in Illinois. Proof please, not bull****. If you can't prove that he did something then you have lost the debate.
 
WI Crippler said:
Ok, so this guy wanted to bid out the senate seat. Who the **** pays money, to become a senator? Thats like paying somebody to take a dump on your face. Kind of like a reverse Fear Factor.
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Steve-O for Senate! :mrgreen:
 
Family Guy said:
Perhaps you should pay a bit closer attention to what Fitzpatrick actually said today? He answered the question re Obama directly by saying that Obama was not involved in this in anyway at all, period. Did you miss that part of the news conference?
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Um, no that incorrect. The news agencies are making that claim. Fitzpatrick said:

Fitzgerald said federal officials were making "no allegations" that Obama himself was "aware of anything" in connection with the case.

This does not imply that allegations will not be made later during the investigation. These are testy waters with a future President-elect that might come into play and a slew of powerhouse political entities. The investigation will have to tread softly and not make any announcements without having rock hard evidence to back it up. Allegations will not happen until they can make an indictment. If they do make any allegations that don't stick their entire department can kiss their careers goodbye.

The investigation already has a pre-mature "hand was forced" smell to it and I'm wondering if some political muscle hasn't already been used to short stop the process.
 
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