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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    In rsixing's defense, I don't see the use of "sort of" as equating to "a similar systemic corruption problem that Illinois has...." I really don't.
    Its not anything like unless you're trying to tell me he literally meant it just "oh, corruption equals corruption".

    Does someone that has strep throat "sort of" feeling like someone that has cancer? I mean, they're both sick so it must be "sort of" feel alike. If I made a comparison between those two things you'd take that as a legitimate, honest, attempt at comparing right?

    Two alaskans, one of which convicted the other that is still questionable, is attempting to be compared to a decades old cesspool of corruption at every level of government in both parties in another state? To me, that's like trying to compare strep throat to cancer. Which tells me either he's mindlessly throwing it out there going "Oh oh oh, they're picking on my dear Obama so I must counter attack, smear Palin!" OR he knows that they're not on par in any real way but chooses to ignore it instead to try and get a shot at republicans in for the sake of taking the shot.

    Either one is trying to "score partisan points". Unless he'd like to try and show me legitimately how Alaska is even "sort of" on par with Illinois in regards to corruption.

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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Typical Chicago politics.

    That's the way things get done in Chicago. Politics. Business. They have their own way of doing things.

    I live an hour north of Chicago. Even here, when business matters are at hand, the term "the Chicago way" is a way of saying bribery is involved.

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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    I have to assume that Blagojevich is guilty of something at this point - the FBI doesn't just go around arresting governors for nothing. Assuming so, I have to say that the arrogance that is shown by his actions leads me to believe that such scumbags think that they are beyond the law... that they can't get caught! Although Obama does not appear to be involved here, this caper does put a spotlight on the cesspool from which Obama obtained his political power!
    This whole thing is ridiculous, I'm glad this fool was arrested.

    However, Obama has nothing to do with it. He didn't "obtain his political power" from the governor, he got it from the people of Illinois, who also have nothing to do with this.


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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I wonder how Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment against the governor will be received by those who thought his indictment against Scooter Libby was a joke. Will you claim that these allegations are a joke too? Or did Fitzgerald turn into a reputable US Attorney since he stopped being the special prosecutor?
    Were there people calling the Fitz investigation and prosecution a "joke?" I don't think so, but if there were they were being unreasonable and don't represent what reasonable thought about the matter.

    I know I criticze Fitz for ever going as far as he did because he didn't find enough evidence that any federal law had been violated when Plame's id was disclosed and, worse, he knew before the investigation started the identity of the initial leaker, Richard Armitage.

    I don't see this situation implicating Obama. I really don't.
    And this is based on...??

    You'd think that the junior Senator, current President-elect would have some influence, no?

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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

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    Typical Chicago politics.

    That's the way things get done in Chicago. Politics. Business. They have their own way of doing things.

    I live an hour north of Chicago. Even here, when business matters are at hand, the term "the Chicago way" is a way of saying bribery is involved.
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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    In rsixing's defense, I don't see the use of "sort of" as equating to "a similar systemic corruption problem that Illinois has...." I really don't.
    Actually, perhaps let me be a bit more exact to explain why I had an issue with it. And it was further backed up in his next post showing what i thought was true...he was just trying to get back the "other side".

    Lets say you have a kid in a family. Lets say that a load of his brothers and sisters all have spent time in jail. Then lets say both his dad has spent time in jail and brothers/sisters on both his mom and his dad's side have spent time in jail. His cousins as well. Then lets say even his grand parents and some of their siblings have spent time in jail.

    Now, not EVERYONE in the family has a history of it...but a great great many of them do, and not just his immediete family but his extneded as well.

    That does not necessarily mean that that kid is going to end up doing criminal things...but it may make those familiar with that family have doubts about him.

    That family is kind of like Illinois politics, and Obama is the kid. Doesn't mean that Obama is corrupt, or has some dark streaks from his time there...but it makes some familiar with Illinois politics have some doubts.

    Then lets have another kid, whose parents, siblings, and the majority of their familiy has stayed out of trouble. Perhaps a few misdameanors here or there but nothing real bad save for say an uncle close to the family that has been to jail.

    That family is kind of like Alaska in comparison to Illinois politics, with the uncle being Stevens and the kids being Palin.

    They're not "sort of alike" in any real way save for a common link that at least SOMEONE in the family has had some big law problems. But that's like saying someone with 1 dollar is "sort of" like someone with 100 dollars because he has at least 1 dollar in common with the 100.

    No one was playing "guilt by assossiation" with Obama to just this governor. All the talk was about "Illinois Politics" in general. And none were saying Obama WAS guilty, but it made you wonder about him because SO MUCH of Illinois political structure is filled with corruption. That isn't "sort of" like condemning Palin due to the corruption of one single person in her state.

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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Yea...sort of like Alaska, Stevens and Palin huh...
    Huh? The comment you were responding to was citing Chicago politics as a cesspool from which Obama derived her political power and success.

    So you respond with, "yeah...sort of like Alaska, Stevens, and Palin"???

    What is "sort of like" it?

    Is Alaska politics generally a cesspool of political corruption like what we generally associate with Chicago? Or are you saying that Palin derived her political power from a cesspool of politics in Alaska? Other?

    Seems to me that neither is an accurate "sort of." Specifically, Palin derived her political success from running against the Old Guard.

    Am I wrong?

    Whereas Obama derived his political power from the traditional Chicago-style machine politics getting involved with Trinity to get him black power politics street cred and Ayers to get the radical leftist politics street cred among other various associations which only served his political interests.

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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    And this is based on...??

    You'd think that the junior Senator, current President-elect would have some influence, no?
    What basis is needed?

    How does Obama have influence on this, he said the decision is solely up to the governor. Governors and senators are unlinked unless a successor needs to be chosen.


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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    This whole thing is ridiculous, I'm glad this fool was arrested.

    However, Obama has nothing to do with it. He didn't "obtain his political power" from the governor, he got it from the people of Illinois, who also have nothing to do with this.
    And from what I'm reading he's not saying that the governor helped him obtain his political power, unless you think by "cesspool" he's refering to a singular person instead of the plural which the term would usually be used for.

    And if it means what it seems his implication is, Illinois politics in general, then that's another story and you're simply wrong. Obama is closely tied with the Illinois political machine and got his start with the help of Chicago and Illinois political figures. Does that mean Obama had anything to do with what this governor did? Not at all. Does that mean Obama is corrupt or has some black marks on him like MUCH of the rest of the Illinois political landscape? Not necessarily. Does it make some of those that are knowledgeable about the political corruption throughout illinois, on BOTH sides, wonder about the likihood of a man coming up through Chicago and somehow not having any or the usual marks on you that people in that machine tend to get? Yes.

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    Re: Ill. Governor taken into custody, Obama's seat part of inquery...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And from what I'm reading he's not saying that the governor helped him obtain his political power, unless you think by "cesspool" he's refering to a singular person instead of the plural which the term would usually be used for.

    And if it means what it seems his implication is, Illinois politics in general, then that's another story and you're simply wrong. Obama is closely tied with the Illinois political machine and got his start with the help of Chicago and Illinois political figures. Does that mean Obama had anything to do with what this governor did? Not at all. Does that mean Obama is corrupt or has some black marks on him like MUCH of the rest of the Illinois political landscape? Not necessarily. Does it make some of those that are knowledgeable about the political corruption throughout illinois, on BOTH sides, wonder about the likihood of a man coming up through Chicago and somehow not having any or the usual marks on you that people in that machine tend to get? Yes.
    I should have specified that it was not the person I was quoting that I was referring to when I said "obtaining power from the governor." I've already heard this idea on other forum sites, which is also ridiculous.


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