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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Your showstoppers are a dime a dozen, eh?

    Reagan is responsible for the nation's current debt? Bwahahahahahaaa!!!

    ~Ignore~
    His policies partly are. "Reaganomics" (aka "voodoo economics") was the application of supply side theory that you could cut taxes, and as a result, the economy would grow significantly faster, and the faster increase in incomes would provide the Govt with more revenues to offset the decrease in revenues caused by the lower tax rates.

    It didn't work quite as planned. The economy in the 80s did on average grow a little better than the 70s, but not much, and when you include grow thru 1992 not any better at all. As a consequence of lower tax rates, revenues lagged behind GDP; and because GDP growth was not super, there was no dramatic increase in revenues; to the contrary there was a relative decrease.

    However, Reagan coupled his tax cuts with a major expansion of military spending.

    When you cut back revenues and increase spending, you get deficits. The same was true with Reagan as it has been for Bush. Under Reagan's policies, the deficits tripled to record levels, and the national debt more than doubled; and had quadrupled to $4 trillion by the time Clinton got in and reversed course with a major tax increase in 1993.

    So yes, it is completely fair to credit Reagan for a good portion of the nation's debt.
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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post

    So yes, it is completely fair to credit Reagan for a good portion of the nation's debt.
    Well he did out spend the USSR.

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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    I still believe that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein is going to turn out to be a great strategic achievement."
    Overthrowing Saddam was a Fail plain and simple.
    It was the stupidest things that could ever be done along with ever going into Iraq or Afghanistan. US and the 'coalition of the willing' played into Al Qaeda hands like a moth to a flame by over reacting.

    Not to mention Iraq has now ensured and deeply entrenched the world's apathy and pacifism for war. Who will dare go after Iran if they have Nukes? No one even if Iran is a threat.

    Now i suppose i can cross my fingers and hope troops are withdrawn and one day, Blair, Bush and everyone attached to this mess finds themselves infront of a international court.
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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    His policies partly are. "Reaganomics" (aka "voodoo economics") was the application of supply side theory that you could cut taxes, and as a result, the economy would grow significantly faster, and the faster increase in incomes would provide the Govt with more revenues to offset the decrease in revenues caused by the lower tax rates.

    It didn't work quite as planned. The economy in the 80s did on average grow a little better than the 70s, but not much, and when you include grow thru 1992 not any better at all. As a consequence of lower tax rates, revenues lagged behind GDP; and because GDP growth was not super, there was no dramatic increase in revenues; to the contrary there was a relative decrease.

    However, Reagan coupled his tax cuts with a major expansion of military spending.

    When you cut back revenues and increase spending, you get deficits. The same was true with Reagan as it has been for Bush. Under Reagan's policies, the deficits tripled to record levels, and the national debt more than doubled; and had quadrupled to $4 trillion by the time Clinton got in and reversed course with a major tax increase in 1993.

    So yes, it is completely fair to credit Reagan for a good portion of the nation's debt.
    Yes it is - the latest statistics show the last time the economy was in this dire of situation was in 1982 when ole Reagon was in power. So there you go - good ole Bush and the republicans, carrying on as usual.

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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Writing about the new book by John Diamond, "The CIA and the Culture of Failure: U.S. Intelligence From the End of the Cold War to the Invasion of Iraq" (Stanford University Press) the SFGate says this about how the CIA contributed to the Iraq invasion rationale:



    It seems clear that the only piece missing from the rationale to make all of these separate facts come together to make ANY sense at all is Israel.

    Israel.

    As I have said before, my theory is that the pressing reason for us to have invaded was that Israel was feeling understandably nervous at Saddam's various threatening actions and his speeches alluding to having WMD's.

    They were going to take action against Iraq but their doing so without any reason beyond sketchy intelligence reports and the suspicion of WMD's surely would have prompted an Islamic response along the lines of, "The Zionists have attacked our brother Saddam (who has seen the light recently as shown by his support of martyr families in Palestine, his addition to the Iraqi flag of the phrase, "Allahu Akbar" and the construction of a beautiful palace in an Islamic motif) and we must respond en masse."

    A response by mujahideen defending Iraq would have taken place inside of Israel as well as outside. With a Muslim population between 15 - 18% the numbers of Holy warriors who might have been mobilized by Israel's defensive preventive strike on Iraq could not be predicted but the estimate could reasonably have been expected to be sobering in numbers and effect. It could have lead to great instability in the region and around the world. The ramifications of an unprovoked Israeli attack on Iraq would have been potentially more serious to world peace than was our invasion of Iraq.

    We had the Cease Fire Resolutions as a legal justification and we believed the WMD's existed and that Saddam had hidden them just as he had successfully hidden the existence of a nuclear weapons production plant during the 1991 War. He hid that plant so well that even though it was only 9 - 18 months away from going on line we had no clue it existed. We dropped bombs on everything we though was of danger or threat and the bombs hit targets all around this plant. But it escaped all damage.

    And Saddam KNEW he'd been able to fool us once so it was a reasonable guess to think we might be overlooking Saddam's WMD's in 2002 as he duped us again.

    And that ties in to the Bush malaprop. Fool me once, shame on you...we won't get fooled again.

    To be continued.
    Another of the lefty "theories" that somehow just can't seem to be proven. You Bush haters are incapable of proving a single thing with "facts." You must lie, but it's not going to change the fact that you were wrong about everything and have made an ass out of your party.

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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Your showstoppers are a dime a dozen, eh?
    As are your inability to discuss honestly.

    Reagan is responsible for the nation's current debt? Bwahahahahahaaa!!!

    ~Ignore~
    Entirely? No. Partially yes. Did I say entirely? No. Are you being dishonest as usual?

    Of course.
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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    What evidence is there that Israel was about to take action against Iraq?
    Deductive reasoning.

    When threatened what have the Israelis always done?

    Sought to remove the threat.

    If they thought Saddam might pose an existential threat what do you think they would do?

    What they've always done.

    They've removed the threat.

    Why wouldn't they?

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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Another of the lefty "theories" that somehow just can't seem to be proven. You Bush haters are incapable of proving a single thing with "facts." You must lie, but it's not going to change the fact that you were wrong about everything and have made an ass out of your party.
    I'm a Bushie.

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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Deductive reasoning.

    When threatened what have the Israelis always done?

    Sought to remove the threat.

    If they thought Saddam might pose an existential threat what do you think they would do?

    What they've always done.

    They've removed the threat.

    Why wouldn't they?
    Uh. Nothing you wrote provides evidence for the post you quoted. Do you have any actual evidence that Israel was gearing up for an strike?
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    Re: Rice regrets bad Iraq intelligence; defends war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I'm a Bushie.
    This is probably the only post from you that will ever get a thanks from me. Treasure it.
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