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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I can't speak for all opponents, but *I* am certainly not moving away from that position. You can make the NMD smarter, but our enemies will make their missiles smarter.
    That doesnt in any way address the actual capability of the NMD -- that is, its ability to hit an incoming ICBM. There's NO support for the argument that it doesn't work.

    There are plenty of good arguments to oppose the NMD. Such as:
    1. This doesn't reduce the risk of a nuclear attack since the main threat doesn't come from missiles in the first place.
    As posted before:
    Threat A, Defense A...

    2. Every dollar spent on the NMD is one dollar less that can be spent on something that will actually protect Americans
    Same response as above.

    3. The cost-benefit analysis is absurd. The marginal benefit of having a NMD (even if it worked perfectly) is simply not worth the marginal cost of building and maintaining it.
    Really.
    What's the cost of a 250kt weapon going off over Los Angeles?

    4. The National Missile "Defense" is actually an offensive weapons system, because if it worked it would eliminate the nuclear deterrent of other nations.
    False. The 50 or so warheads the NMD is designed to stop doesnt affect anyone's deterrence.

    5. There is no need to make Russia (or other nuclear powers) panic and do something stupid.
    See above.

    6. It doesn't work.
    There's no support for the argument that it doesn't work.

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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Quote Originally Posted by boblzer0 View Post
    who knows, but we do know that missiles exist so don't u think it could be possibly beneficial to be able to shoot them down?
    I know that guns exist but ive not brought myself a bullet proof vest

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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That doesnt in any way address the actual capability of the NMD -- that is, its ability to hit an incoming ICBM. There's NO support for the argument that it doesn't work.
    As long as our competitors have anything CLOSE to technological parity with us (as in they aren't using swords and shields against our stealth bombers), their missile technology will always be a step ahead of our anti-missile technology. If you build a shield, someone will find a way to circumvent the shield...and they'll do it much more cheaply and quickly than it cost you to build the shield.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    As posted before:
    Threat A, Defense A...
    That is idiotic. By the same logic, why don't we just dump a hundred billion dollars in some sturdy shields for our troops, in case our opponents charge us with swords?

    This is especially moronic coming from you, given your stance on gun control. Why not ban AK-47s? Sure, criminals might just use M16s instead, but "Threat A, Defense A."

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    Really.
    What's the cost of a 250kt weapon going off over Los Angeles?
    Incorrect measurement of the benefit of a missile defense shield. You must weigh the probability of that happening without a missile defense shield versus the probability of that happening WITH a missile defense shield, then multiply the difference by the cost of that happening.

    The costs outweigh the benefits of the NMD by several orders of magnitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    False. The 50 or so warheads the NMD is designed to stop doesnt affect anyone's deterrence.
    Really. Then why are we building it again?
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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As long as our competitors have anything CLOSE to technological parity with us (as in they aren't using swords and shields against our stealth bombers), their missile technology will always be a step ahead of our anti-missile technology
    Our competitors are the likes of N Korea and Iran.

    That is idiotic.
    No, that's reality. There are many threats, and many defenses.

    Incorrect measurement of the benefit of a missile defense shield.
    The 'benefit' is that he have the ability to protect US cities from a limited nuke strike. The effective measure of this then is the loss of one of those cities.

    The costs outweigh the benefits of the NMD by several orders of magnitude.
    In order for this to be true, you have to show the cost of a US city - I choose LA- taking a 250kt airburst.

    Really. Then why are we building it again?
    I'm -really- getting tired of having to explain the expressed purpose behind building a NMD. You people REALLY need to take some time and educate yourselves before enganing in these conversations.

    The NMD is intended to stop a limited ICBM strike from a 'rogue state' such as NK or Iran. It is intended, with its 250 interceptors, to stop up to 50 incoming warheads, each with 5 'advanced' decoys.

    This does NOT affect the Russian nuclear deterrent.

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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm -really- getting tired of having to explain the expressed purpose behind building a NMD. You people REALLY need to take some time and educate yourselves before enganing in these conversations.
    This seems to be the modus operandi of many posters here. They'll engaged in a discussion and continue debating despite not possessing even a rudimentary familiarity with the issue at hand.

    And once presented with such a condemnation of their posts as disohonest their take offense.

    Weird.

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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Negotiate through strength. Putin is here to stay and he is mad.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    "I first became aware of the communist threat to our precious bodily fluids durng the physical act of love."
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: US successfully tests anti-missile shield

    Russia will not enter or incite arms race. It will be building its military as it sees it to suite needs and available means.

    The US seems to be going into the same Cold war/arms race spiral.

    It will not change Russia’s spending.

    Russia is feeling comfortably about missile defense money wise and technology wise. There is nothing even in the drawing that can be a defense from Russian missile technology.


    Russia is feeling comfortably about billions spent on stealth technology money wise and technology wise, as it has full capability to shoot down stealth technology cheap.

    Russia and the US have the same enemies on the global scheme.

    Iran has no missile system that can reach any EU country, except for some parts of Italy and only according to unconfirmed claims.

    These are the facts. Chew on them.

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