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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It should be removed because of the sentiment behind it. If it wouldn't have a time, place, and manner violation I wouldn't see a problem. For instance, if it wouldn't be christmastime, near a manger, and derogatory it would be fine. Heck if it would be christmastime, in an alley, and derogatory it would be better.
    Again, the Constitution would beg to differ with you. Just becuase you don't like the setting for freedom of speech, does not mean it should be removed. This has been discussed ad Nauseum.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Again, the Constitution would beg to differ with you. This has been discussed ad Nauseum.
    Actually, no it wouldn't. I have already covered why this isn't fully protected by the first amendment and could be considered fighting words as applied to the standard of Choplinski v New Hampshire. Time, place, and manner of this sign are all insulting to specific people who believe differently, and the specific nature of the sign could induce violence from the average, common sense christian, that it is allowed isn't the point, that it isn't questioned isn't the point, it isn't protected, as some people like to claim.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually, no it wouldn't. I have already covered why this isn't fully protected by the first amendment and could be considered fighting words as applied to the standard of Choplinski v New Hampshire. Time, place, and manner of this sign are all insulting to specific people who believe differently, and the specific nature of the sign could induce violence from the average, common sense christian, that it is allowed isn't the point, that it isn't questioned isn't the point, it isn't protected, as some people like to claim.
    That would not be a common sense Christian.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually, no it wouldn't. I have already covered why this isn't fully protected by the first amendment and could be considered fighting words as applied to the standard of Choplinski v New Hampshire. Time, place, and manner of this sign are all insulting to specific people who believe differently, and the specific nature of the sign could induce violence from the average, common sense christian, that it is allowed isn't the point, that it isn't questioned isn't the point, it isn't protected, as some people like to claim.
    Or the Christians could try being Christ-like... That may be a stretch, though.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Or the Christians could try being Christ-like... That may be a stretch, though.
    Turn the other cheek huh? Yeah, that doesn't work against people like the ones who put the sign up.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That would not be a common sense Christian.
    Depends, the manner was very condescending and stated in a way designed to make people who believe other than atheist look or feel stupid, people could be drawn to violence in the context of being called stupid, or having their beliefs attacked so virulently whereas they would otherwise "turn the other cheek" had the content been a little more civil.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Depends, the manner was very condescending and stated in a way designed to make people who believe other than atheist look or feel stupid, people could be drawn to violence in the context of being called stupid, or having their beliefs attacked so virulently whereas they would otherwise "turn the other cheek" had the content been a little more civil.
    So you are also against Christians who say anything bad about homosexuality outside the setting of a church then because it is demeaning, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of gays then right?

    Or are you just interested in protecting the feelings of Christians?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    So you are also against Christians who say anything bad about homosexuality outside the setting of a church then because it is demeaning, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of gays then right?
    Yes I am in fact.

    Or are you just interested in protecting the feelings of Christians?
    Nope, I firmly believe your rights end on my person, and they are given up once you cross a certain line, in this case, the Atheists crossed it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Turn the other cheek huh? Yeah, that doesn't work against people like the ones who put the sign up.
    How does it not work? If you ignore it, it can't bother you. Problem solved.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you are also against Christians who say anything bad about homosexuality outside the setting of a church then because it is demeaning, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of gays then right?

    Or are you just interested in protecting the feelings of Christians?
    I like how you defended this atheist sign and then equated the sign to anti-gay hate speech, rendering yourself no better then genuine homophobic bigots.

    That's not me flaming you, that's your own argument.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    How does it not work? If you ignore it, it can't bother you. Problem solved.
    "Turn the other cheek" is about leveling the battle field, not pacifism.

    Backhanding someone with the right hand is a symbolic way of treating the person like trash.

    By turning the other cheek, you force the person to have to use their left hand. This removes their ability to add insult to injury.

    One way Christians could "turn the other cheek" here is by placing an uninsulting display of all the faith-based charities atheist groups have blocked, and highlight how many people those charities would have helped.
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