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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    It's not atheism, it's anti-theism. The two are very different.


    So which is Slippery slope and which is these assholes at the capital?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    So which is Slippery slope and which is these assholes at the capital?
    Couldn't tell ya.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Fix your formatting.

    It makes baby Jesus cry.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So which is Slippery slope and which is these assholes at the capital?
    Depends on their ultimate goal. Some in the atheist group merely want inclusion and acceptance; that's fine. There are those whom wish for the destruction of religion as a whole and work for those means. I'd put Dawkins in the anti-theist group (though not a militant anti-theist, I don't think that guy would have a clue as to what to do with a gun). Intent defines, some people bitch because they want people to pay attention and acknowledge their existence (slightly different than a cry for attention, which is attention whoring...though some of that also goes on). Some blame the whole of evil and the wrongdoings of man upon religion and seek to annihilate it from the planet. That's your difference.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Because I wasn't responding to Kali, I was responding to your response to Kali.
    And your response had nothing at all to do with my comment being disingenuous. In fact it had nothing to do with my comment at all in context to his remark.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    No, my information is factually correct.
    As for your assertions being factually correct...

    "That's a bit disingenuous to say the least."

    As I have shown, this statement is not true at all.

    "While religion may not have been the direct cause of those wars it was none the less an important piece of the puzzle."

    Please explain how religion had "an important" role in any of the conflicts I mentioned. I am dying to here about religions role or the "killing in Gods name" during WWI and WWII outside of some Muslim units of the SS supported by the Grand Mufti in WWII.

    "You neglect the wars mentioned in the OT as well as the myriad of killing the Popes advanced."

    Why would I mention wars in the OT? We are dealing with fact, not speculation. We don't even know if they happened or what numbers were involved. Considering the small scale of city to city fighting in the OT, the numbers would be insignificant for comparison even to the losses by US forces in the Iraq war.

    As far as Popes go, are you talking about the Crusades? That would be the largest conflict for Christians and even Muslims to date.

    The total death toll from the crusades were around one million to two million, even going with the book by Richards it is nine million max. During the inquisition maybe 3000 over 300 years.

    Now lets talk about death from natural causes over just 100 years in any time period.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Modern warfare killed more people because of technology.
    Stalin purged the Russian republics prior to and continuing after World War II and killed roughly 40 to 60 million people; nearly wiping out every Christian church under Stalin's domain.

    China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution.

    Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.

    Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.

    So technology has very little to do with the numbers we are talking about.

    "The engine brought more people to the war and the bullet killed at a greater distance. If those wars had been fought with swords and bows they would have produced far less death.

    That would depend on the rate of infections and medical science. Far fewer people also die in modern wars due to the much higher medical care for the wounded. Death from infection (a major cause of combat related death throughout history) is pretty much a thing of the past.

    "Korea and Vietnam were fought because our xians had too keep communism from spreading godlessness. Remember?"

    This is so silly it is not even worth responding to. Keep reaching.

    "That's why we had to put "in god we trust" on our money and and "one nation under god" in our pledge. The problems with the Monarchy (and it's religious control of government) was one of a couple reasons for the American revolution. Similarly with the French revolution."

    Read above comment.

    "The Civil war was over slavery and the southern xians used the bible to justify slavery."

    Just like the Northern and Southern abolitionist used it to condemn slavery.

    Are you that blinded by bigotry? It makes you look really stupid.

    The civil war was about states rights and had literally nothing to do with anyone dying in the name of any God.

    "WWI, here's a xian fundy talking"

    Ummm... OK.

    PS Still waiting for a responce to this...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057852589-post706.html

    Please show us all that "religious favoritism" in the US.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    What you quoted was me responding to Rev, not to you. Are you off your meds or something? That's 2x now that you've directed posts at me in error. Maybe you got confused between your user name and the Revs... maybe you're the same person.
    I know full well who you were responding to. Now outside of your silly accusations, please respond to my posts or again don't respond at all.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    I think it is ok for them to put out there sign, but the way they did it seems to be an all out attack on religion. There free to state there views, there free to put that sign up, but what there doing is... Well we here on DP have a term fo this kind of action, "Trolling" it all comes down to respect. State your beleifes, but show some respect and tollerance of others.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by kamino View Post
    I think it is ok for them to put out there sign, but the way they did it seems to be an all out attack on religion. There free to state there views, there free to put that sign up, but what there doing is... Well we here on DP have a term fo this kind of action, "Trolling" it all comes down to respect. State your beleifes, but show some respect and tollerance of others.
    While I agree that it's over the top, the problem is that ****tards like O'Reilly want this sign removed.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    While I agree that it's over the top, the problem is that ****tards like O'Reilly want this sign removed.
    It should be removed because of the sentiment behind it. If it wouldn't have a time, place, and manner violation I wouldn't see a problem. For instance, if it wouldn't be christmastime, near a manger, and derogatory it would be fine. Heck if it would be christmastime, in an alley, and derogatory it would be better.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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