Fix your formatting.
It makes baby Jesus cry.
Originally Posted by Jerry
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
"That's a bit disingenuous to say the least."
As I have shown, this statement is not true at all.
"While religion may not have been the direct cause of those wars it was none the less an important piece of the puzzle."
Please explain how religion had "an important" role in any of the conflicts I mentioned. I am dying to here about religions role or the "killing in Gods name" during WWI and WWII outside of some Muslim units of the SS supported by the Grand Mufti in WWII.
"You neglect the wars mentioned in the OT as well as the myriad of killing the Popes advanced."
Why would I mention wars in the OT? We are dealing with fact, not speculation. We don't even know if they happened or what numbers were involved. Considering the small scale of city to city fighting in the OT, the numbers would be insignificant for comparison even to the losses by US forces in the Iraq war.
As far as Popes go, are you talking about the Crusades? That would be the largest conflict for Christians and even Muslims to date.
The total death toll from the crusades were around one million to two million, even going with the book by Richards it is nine million max. During the inquisition maybe 3000 over 300 years.
Now lets talk about death from natural causes over just 100 years in any time period.
China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution.
Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.
Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.
So technology has very little to do with the numbers we are talking about.
"The engine brought more people to the war and the bullet killed at a greater distance. If those wars had been fought with swords and bows they would have produced far less death.
That would depend on the rate of infections and medical science. Far fewer people also die in modern wars due to the much higher medical care for the wounded. Death from infection (a major cause of combat related death throughout history) is pretty much a thing of the past.
"Korea and Vietnam were fought because our xians had too keep communism from spreading godlessness. Remember?"
This is so silly it is not even worth responding to. Keep reaching.
"That's why we had to put "in god we trust" on our money and and "one nation under god" in our pledge. The problems with the Monarchy (and it's religious control of government) was one of a couple reasons for the American revolution. Similarly with the French revolution."
Read above comment.
"The Civil war was over slavery and the southern xians used the bible to justify slavery."
Just like the Northern and Southern abolitionist used it to condemn slavery.
Are you that blinded by bigotry? It makes you look really stupid.
The civil war was about states rights and had literally nothing to do with anyone dying in the name of any God.
"WWI, here's a xian fundy talking"
PS Still waiting for a responce to this...
Please show us all that "religious favoritism" in the US.
Last edited by Black Dog; 12-21-08 at 11:38 PM.
"Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."
- Warren Buffett
I think it is ok for them to put out there sign, but the way they did it seems to be an all out attack on religion. There free to state there views, there free to put that sign up, but what there doing is... Well we here on DP have a term fo this kind of action, "Trolling" it all comes down to respect. State your beleifes, but show some respect and tollerance of others.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.