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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh, so when an atheist regulerly dones a jersy, watches a game and *gasp* speaks to the players on her screen, acording to you she is therefore not atheist, but pagan, because she is doing a ritual.

    Just my opinion here, but you might want to check your logic there.
    Where did that come from? Cheering on a sports team is hardly the same thing as getting dressed, going to place of worship and performing rituals. Think about the drinking of the blood and eating of the body/spirit.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Heh, every year there's someone who thinks it's a big scandle.

    Here ya go: When was Jesus Born?

    The celibration was tailored to assist pagan asimilation into the church, and it met with respectable efectivness. Everyone knowes, very few care, because it's just as much a reason to party as anyother
    Thanks.. But No Thanks! Next time you want me to read a linky? Try to find an unbiased source

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Someone really needs to bone up on their history.

    Major Christian holidays outside of passover do not exist in the Bible. They were a plan by the Roman Emperor to convert pagans and help them assimilate into the Roman Church.

    "Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honor oft the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism half-way was very early developed."



    Good and evil are concepts that existed in other places never touched by ancient Persia, so your answer is not even close to correct.

    Your premise is highly flawed which leads to a flawed conclusion, not supported in any way by accurate data.

    You need to come up with something other than opinion.
    I think you need to take your own advice. I said the first concept of good v/s evil can be traced back to Zoroastrianism and this is indeed a fact. That is where the concept of Satan came from! I know this is true!

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Read This!!!! And learn all about Zoroastrianism!
    Zorastrianism

    One quote from the link: "Most religious historians believe the the Jewish, Christian and Muslim beliefs concerning God and Satan, the soul, heaven and hell, the virgin birth of the savior, slaughter of the innocents, resurrection, the final judgment, etc. were all derived from Zoroastrianism."


    So HA!! Told ya I knew what I was talking about!
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh yes, and because political correctness demands that we lie and claim that no faith or religion is better then any other, that they are all the same, we can therefore conclude that faith=bad.

    The truth is, some faiths are superior to others. Superiority can be measured by how consistent one practices according to the doctrine and how much the practices prove to be beneficial to both the individual and society.

    Lesser religions will serve the individual primarily and largely disregard the community. This results in less stable and less productive societies.

    "God hates fags" is hardly consistent with the doctrine nor does it first serve the community.
    Religious snobbery at its very best.

    More people have died in the name of religion(s) than anything else so spare me this crap about how more religion is better for society

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I think it comes out of an interest in learning. I mean, learning something other than what the bible says. All of my atheist friends have college degrees and stacks of books but, living here in the south now, I've only seen a few fundamentalist xians with more than a bible (or a few) and a few other fundy xian books on being more fundy.
    There was a study I read about a while back that pretty much proved that the majority of athiest are smarter than fundamentalist Christians. I seemed to have lost the link though

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think you need to take your own advice. I said the first concept of good v/s evil can be traced back to Zoroastrianism and this is indeed a fact. That is where the concept of Satan came from! I know this is true!
    So you ignore the meat of my post showing your error in your comment about pagan holidays etc. which is what my history reference was referring to.

    But thats OK, Ill bite...

    It is believed that key concepts of Zoroastrian eschatology and demonology have had influence on the Abrahamic religions. On the other hand, Zoroastrianism itself inherited ideas from other belief systems and, like other practiced religions, accommodates some degree of syncretism.

    So I guess they all were influenced by someone at some point.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    There was a study I read about a while back that pretty much proved that the majority of athiest are smarter than fundamentalist Christians. I seemed to have lost the link though
    Absolutely wrong. It was a study that said people who are religious tend to have less education than those who were agnostic or atheist. Had little to do with intelligence.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Religious snobbery at its very best.

    More people have died in the name of religion(s) than anything else so spare me this crap about how more religion is better for society
    Wow, you really do need to look at your history.

    The most destructive wars in the history of man kind had nothing at all to do with religion. Just the death toll from WWII alone would be enough to prove you wrong. But lets add a few more...

    WWI
    Korea
    Vietnam
    English Civil War
    American Civil War
    French Revolutoin
    American Revolution


    And the list goes on and on.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Unlikely, but not impossible. Frankly, we don't know when he was born. The date is NOT the point, the reason for the celebration is.
    Very true. What is impossible is the whole Virgin Birth Concept. My bad and thanks for correcting me

    Do you ever feel strange that you may be doing the celebration at the wrong time? What if He is angry about it? Don't we all get a tad annoyed when someone forgets our birthday or sends us a late birthday gift?

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