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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Founding Fathers were in SCOTUS?
    K, so you're not going to answer the question. Fine.

    The founding fathers wanted a lot of things, Jefferson wanted routine revolution against the government (I happen to think this one should be done), many wanted laws to naturally expire after a certain number of years (in theory a good idea, but in practice would probably produce omnibills with lots of hidden laws). But this is our Republic, and the nature of what We the People want and desire changes. During the heyday of absolute Christian dominance, yeah there were what you said. But what's acceptable and what's not changes with time. The founders owned slaves, so unambiguously claiming that because the founders did it makes it right isn't a complete argument. I happen to like a lot of what the founders said, especially the anti-federalists (whom oddly enough were federalists in the true sense of the word). But what's political philosophy and what is public pressure/accepted norm are two different things. And the pressures and accepted norms change with the generations. Things aren't stagnate. Yes the founders did some of these things, they had religious holidays and evoked the name of gods in relation to politics. But that was then and this is now, the accepted norm isn't one of total and absolute Christian dominance anymore and the government, including the SCOTUS the body which currently has power to interpret the Constitution, has stated that it is no longer applicable.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I never said that the act was passed by a political commentator. I'm saying that your original post was about a book written by a political commentator. That's the source I'm referring to.
    Then you are referring to the wrong source.

    Keep up.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    If the source of proof is truly the Library of Congress then why not cut out the middle man?
    Lack of sufficient time and a word program for editing on my end.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Why do we need a Conservative political commentator to tell us what their original intentions were if it's all there in black and white?
    Why do we need teachers who are demonstratably correct on a topic to teach us about that topic?

    That can't be a serious question.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I didn't know that, thought it was just the outermost extreme of Atheism that practiced the attempt at eliminating religion, had never heard of anti-theism before. I have heard however that many of the socialist and communist movements of the 1900's practiced this anti-theism because they learned that if a populace doesn't believe in god overall they tend to be more easily controlled and more prone to fear and dependence of government.
    Heard it from who, Rev hellhound? See I heard that Lenin realized he could control the masses BECAUSE of religion. Take away peoples religion and they need someone to tell them what is right or wrong and lead them.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Heard it from who, Rev hellhound? See I heard that Lenin realized he could control the masses BECAUSE of religion. Take away peoples religion and they need someone to tell them what is right or wrong and lead them.



    So the communists did not try to stamp out religion now? Is this your claim?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Most atheists are interested in religion
    I think it comes out of an interest in learning. I mean, learning something other than what the bible says. All of my atheist friends have college degrees and stacks of books but, living here in the south now, I've only seen a few fundamentalist xians with more than a bible (or a few) and a few other fundy xian books on being more fundy.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What would you care if I got my "morals and values" from a God or a cracker jack box as long as they don't intefere with anothers rights?
    But isn't that one of the exact problems? They do interfere with others rights. And yes, I certainly do have an anti-religious attitude but no actual actionable agenda.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    But isn't that one of the exact problems? They do interfere with others rights.
    Someone believes in God. How does that intefere with your "rights"?


    And yes, I certainly do have an anti-religious attitude but no actual actionable agenda.

    Kinda like the atheist version of archie bunker eh?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This nation was not founded as nor intended to be a secular nation.
    I disagree.

    People seem to be of the opinion that it's either secular or theocracy. Fyi: there are more options the 2 most radical extremes in any issue.
    Again, I disagree.

    The government is secular in that it may not form a federal religion nor give any church municipal power. However, the government is theist in it's recognition of the cultural vestiges of the people on it's buildings, currency and pledges.
    Recognizing and giving reverence to the past doesn't make the government theistic.

    There's nothing harmful about it.
    I strongly disagree.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    IMO, that isn't really a problem. The progeny will eventually do what they feel they need to do.
    I disagree, inculcation is difficult to break free of and if you are uneducated it's certainly almost impossible.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why do we need teachers who are demonstratably correct on a topic to teach us about that topic?

    That can't be a serious question.
    Well, I'd rather have an unbiased teacher or rather one who doesn't have a clear political agenda.

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