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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    Why would you run a Satanism chat room if you don't believe in the existence of evil?
    Because I'm not a theistic Satanist and don't believe in Satan as an actual being. In order to be one I would have to subscribe to certain Christian ideals and I don't.

    Do you mean you don't believe in evil as a presence, or that there is no such thing as evil deeds at all?
    I believe that evil is a subjective term and varies in definition from person to person. I don't believe in an absolute evil. As for my individual view on evil, I don't like to use the term at all because it has certain implications that I don't agree with. I think it's an absurdly oversimplified term.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    Militantly being an Atheist always struck me as a contradiction.
    As it does with me.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    As it does with me.
    Why? You can be militant about anything.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Because there are Atheists out there who are just as arrogant and pushy as some Christian fundamentalists out there. There are Atheists who just can't deal with the fact that there are people out there who believe in a higher power. Though I will say this. It's not as if all Christians keep to themselves about their religion. A lot of them try to shove it onto others and this annoys a lot of people, myself included. Personally I found the sign by the Atheists to be bitter and arrogant. It's not as if the Christian Nativity scene was meant to really stick it to Atheists or any other specific belief system, so I believe it was an unwarranted attack. However, if there had been a non-attacking Atheist display or other non-Christian display that was put up next to the Nativity scene I think this would still be an issue for some.
    For the most part I agree. I think near the Nativity scene but kept to a distance that still allows it it's own dignity, and with all respect given would be alright by the standards of most rational people.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Why? You can be militant about anything.
    This is true, but to laugh at those who believe fervently with a fervent belief is hypocracy.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is true, but to laugh at those who believe fervently with a fervent belief is hypocracy.
    Well, the militant atheist would argue that his conclusions and beliefs had come from facts, therefore his beliefs are more sound.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Unfortunately the average Joe does not read science journals and this is what causes the problem. 99.9% of the human race will never read a science journal. The perceptions they have are molded by things like an encyclopedia.

    I also doubt the writers of an encyclopedia are all that concerned with "seeking sound bites."
    Here's how I read your comment:
    The average joe does not read science journals.
    Because the average joe does not read science journals he makes mistakes in assumption.
    Therefore we should coddle those assumptions, wrong as they are, so that we do not upset average joe.

    That about right?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Here's how I read your comment:
    The average joe does not read science journals.
    Because the average joe does not read science journals he makes mistakes in assumption.
    Therefore we should coddle those assumptions, wrong as they are, so that we do not upset average joe.

    That about right?
    Then you mite want to read the comments that lead up to it so you understand it in context. Rather than make improper assumptions or put words into my mouth when you know relatively little about me or my understanding of the issue.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 12-15-08 at 04:09 PM.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, by allowing someone to make a speech on government property says that the government supports this form of speech above others?
    But we're not talking about someone making a speech on public property now are we? But to answer your question I believe that if that speech caused public disorder it would be stopped. Not stopping it would mean that the government backed whatever or whoever was the subject of the speech. Do you think there is public disorder surrounding the subject we are discussing?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have already gone ahead and shown that this idea for Christmas was NOT stolen from the pagans. Interesting that I have shown evidence that the date was NOT completely pulled out of thin air and that there is actually scriptural support for it. I have pointed out that many of the symbols of the holiday that are allegedly pagan in orgin and indicate that the holiday itself has pagan origins actually have their origins CENTURIES after the December 25th date was codified.

    If you are going to make such ignorant comments, please read the rest of the thread and note the references to scripture that have already been presented. Thank you and Merry Christmas.
    Could you please link to those statements or PM me with the thread? Thanks.

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