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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Right back at "you don't have to believe in it if you don't want to do so but there's no need to make a blatant attack at those who do."
    Placing a religious symbol on government property, which is my property, is a blatant attack on my government, which is me. Thanks for playing the, I don't understand our democracy, game.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Placing a religious symbol on government property, which is my property, is a blatant attack on my government, which is me. Thanks for playing the, I don't understand our democracy, game.


    Nonsense. There is no constitutional basis for this sort of absurd claim.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    I feel that putting a nativity scene on government property to be inflamatory because it makes it look as though my government supports xianity. Just like xians find saying that there is no god to be inflamatory.
    "You feel" is not a compelling reason, the fact is you have a freedom OF not FROM religion. No one who is reasonable feels offended by someone else's expression of belief, we are talking about a direct attack within the context of this story. I don't find saying "there is no god" to be inflamatory, but the Time, Place, and Manner of this particular sign in this particular news story is offensive.


    You don't see the irony behind those words?
    In order for this to be an irony, I would have to be of the mindset that I am absolutely right that there is a god and you would have to be absolutely wrong, I do believe there is a god but can entertain others ideals as well, I am not the one telling Atheists to stop talking about their beliefs, I am the one, along with most moderate Christians, Atheists, and other faiths saying not to do it next to an expression of someone else's religion. I am also NOT the one saying no municipality should be able to express their majority beliefs on public property, regardless of my own worldview. In other words, if these Atheists feel so challenged that they must suppress others expressions of faith, why? Other than a less than solid belief.


    So it should depend in part on who gets their trappings in the space first?

    The nativity scene was placed on public property, secular property.
    You got one thing right, it was placed on public property, what part of that makes the Atheists placing a sign in it's direct area okay?



    The Constitution provides that the majority cannot infringe on the rights of the minority. Your attitude and position is that of a xian who simply believes in mob rule, the strongest (greatest numbers) rule over the weak (the few) but I believe that somewhere in the bible (sermon on the mount) that your god claims the meek shall inherit the earth. Of course that was written when xianity was the minority...
    You make a lot of assumptions, first, I am a Catholic, but not a devout, I haven't been inside a church in years, since the last wedding I attended. Second, I don't take anyone's free and protected expression being attacked or infringed, which is why I am on the Christian's side here, not because I am affiliated with said beliefs, third, I am not advocating, as I have already stated, majority rule, however, you are taking this victimized minority stance, MOST people of various faiths are NOT offended by others expression, so sorry if YOU INDIVIDUALLY are.


    That's pretty much how I feel about xians who continue to ignore other peoples feelings in favor of their own desire to be powerful over others. I believe this is the reason xians refuse to stop putting their religious trappings on public property; to display their power over the rest of us.
    You would see it that way, and trust me, you and others like you are the furthest things from our minds, until someone pulls stupid **** like we are seeing now, or the prayer bans in school, etc. Don't attack us and you won't hear anything from us, keep these attitudes up though, and it will eventually get ugly.
    Basically your attitude, we can do as we please because there is more of us than you... in my opinion, it's not very Christ-like. But then, who ever said xianity was Christ-like? Not the actions of xians...
    Our attitude huh? Have you ever considered that whining and asserting rights you don't have get irritating and bring this to you.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Placing a religious symbol on government property, which is my property, is a blatant attack on my government, which is me. Thanks for playing the, I don't understand our democracy, game.
    No, it isn't. In fact, Congress opens with a prayer, that kind of invalidates that whole absolute seperation argument of yours doesn't it? Maybe you can whine about that next, since their "your" employees.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    The Constitution provides that the majority cannot infringe on the rights of the minority
    Pray tell, Slippery Slope,where is this in our Constitution ?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post

    Putting a symbol of evil in front of my courthouse is a direct attack on me and my freedoms.
    Wow! That's the best you've got? You're further gone than I thought. Merry Christmas!
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I thought Athiests did not believe in evil?
    There's no basis for this claim. Atheists are just as capable as anyone else to believe in evil, and many do have some absolute scaling. The only thing that could be said is that overall atheists tend to have a lot larger "gray" range and more variants of shade thereof.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's no basis for this claim. Atheists are just as capable as anyone else to believe in evil, and many do have some absolute scaling. The only thing that could be said is that overall atheists tend to have a lot larger "gray" range and more variants of shade thereof.



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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, it isn't. In fact, Congress opens with a prayer, that kind of invalidates that whole absolute separation argument of yours doesn't it? Maybe you can whine about that next, since their "your" employees.
    A myth - "separation of church and state", this never did exist.
    A majority of us have no fear of being blatantly attacked by a Naivety Scene.
    That some extremest atheists are tells me they are mentally disturbed, at least...

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The fake moral outrage that certain Christans do each year over their Holy Holiday and the Fake War on Christmas disgust me. It is so very ironic since Christians stole the Christmas idea from Pagans. Anybody that knows the least little thing about religion knows this and also knows there is no way in hell that Jesus was born in Dec. Give me a break and spare me the fake outrage over some non X-tians trying to ruin your special day that you stole from so called Heathens.. *Snickers*
    Just for giggles can I point out that "X"=Christ. Therefore Xmas=Christmas, I don't believe we spell it Christtmas. As such "Xtian"=Christtian which of course is also incorrect.

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