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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Winter Solstice isn't in December?
    So any holiday held in December automatically has some relationship with the Winter Solstice?

    You have to do better than that!

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So any holiday held in December automatically has some relationship with the Winter Solstice?

    You have to do better than that!

    Which was celebrated first, the winter solstice or Christmas? Christmas came after and the reasoning was to convert pagans. You can try to re-invent the reason all you want, but it won't succeed.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Which was celebrated first, the winter solstice or Christmas? Christmas came after and the reasoning was to convert pagans. You can try to re-invent the reason all you want, but it won't succeed.
    So, any holiday held in December is done for the purpose of converting pagans?

    Is Hanukkah similarly linked to the Winter Solstice? Next, you are going to try to convince me that the Christian observance of the Paschal Triduum/Easter is somehow a pagan holiday as well.

    Any other evidence? This seems pretty flimsy to me, especially given the Scriptural support for the December date I gave earlier.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Easter is a pagan holiday. Did you ever wonder where the Easter bunny came from?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Easter is a pagan holiday. Did you ever wonder where the Easter bunny came from?
    The Christian celebration of Easter FAR PREDATES the use of the Easter Bunny in Christian cultures.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Christian celebration of Easter FAR PREDATES the use of the Easter Bunny in Christian cultures.
    I'm starting to see a trend of people judging the holiday by the symbols and celebratory traditions instead of the actual mass, then again though, who can blame them when our own christian peers make the same mistake.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm starting to see a trend of people judging the holiday by the symbols and celebratory traditions instead of the actual mass, then again though, who can blame them when our own christian peers make the same mistake.
    Also comical because every example they have trotted out so far came into the celebration CENTURIES after the December 25 date was established or the celebration of Easter began.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So any holiday held in December automatically has some relationship with the Winter Solstice?

    You have to do better than that!

    People studied the skies. The Egyptians, Mayans, Stonehenge, all knew something was significant about the skies and growing food and weather changes. The Winter Solstice goes way back. It would behoove a new religion to incorporate that.

    I don't think Pearl Harbor Day has anything to do with Winter Solstice.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm starting to see a trend of people judging the holiday by the symbols and celebratory traditions instead of the actual mass, then again though, who can blame them when our own christian peers make the same mistake.
    The point was that originally the term holiday was told that saying it has a connection to religion because the origin of the word is holy-day. And since that was the original meaning, it still holds even though it is not used in such a reference anymore. Thus, if original meanings are all that matter than the original meaning for the spring equinox and winter solstice celebrations should hold true as well.

    The Easter bunny, by the way, is pagan in and of itself. The rabbit was a symbol of fertility, and that was one of the main celebrations for the spring equinox. I don't exactly know why it was adopted, but as other things it was probably to help pagans make a transition by usurping holidays and symbols.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    People studied the skies. The Egyptians, Mayans, Stonehenge, all knew something was significant about the skies and growing food and weather changes. The Winter Solstice goes way back. It would behoove a new religion to incorporate that.

    I don't think Pearl Harbor Day has anything to do with Winter Solstice.
    Any EVIDENCE rather than your supposition that this was the purpose of the Dec. 25 date? I have already shared the Scriptural backing for it. Put up or shut up!
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