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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Oh I see, well there are two atheists on this board who are "strong atheists" and insult people, but for the most part everyone else is quite reasonable...

    In my experience its the believer who takes offense where there is none, and cannot understand the difference between "you're wrong here's why" and "you're stupid because you're wrong."

    Or more commonly is when one reads "your idea is illogical, your fallacy is X" but their brain hears "you are incapable of logic, a moron, and I think I'm smarter than you."

    I think its because most people are under the impression that its alright to criticize ones opinions about politics, history, current events, etc... but never their supernatural beliefs. Those beliefs are "sacred" to them and often the underlying premise in their whole worldview.

    You wouldn't believe how many times people confuse my skepticism with cynicism, or my certainty and tone with arrogance.
    I see it from people on both sides. Depends on the person. Most of those that exhibit "insulting" behavior are those who seem to feel the need to degrade along with their debate. U necessary to make one's point.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    The fake moral outrage that certain Christans do each year over their Holy Holiday and the Fake War on Christmas disgust me. It is so very ironic since Christians stole the Christmas idea from Pagans. Anybody that knows the least little thing about religion knows this and also knows there is no way in hell that Jesus was born in Dec. Give me a break and spare me the fake outrage over some non X-tians trying to ruin your special day that you stole from so called Heathens.. *Snickers*

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Oh I see, well there are two atheists on this board who are "strong atheists" and insult people, but for the most part everyone else is quite reasonable...

    In my experience its the believer who takes offense where there is none, and cannot understand the difference between "you're wrong here's why" and "you're stupid because you're wrong."

    Or more commonly is when one reads "your idea is illogical, your fallacy is X" but their brain hears "you are incapable of logic, a moron, and I think I'm smarter than you."

    I think its because most people are under the impression that its alright to criticize ones opinions about politics, history, current events, etc... but never their supernatural beliefs. Those beliefs are "sacred" to them and often the underlying premise in their whole worldview.

    You wouldn't believe how many times people confuse my skepticism with cynicism, or my certainty and tone with arrogance.
    I absolutely agree with you here. My initial comment was much the same statement.

    Most religious people consider the faith they have as part of who they are. This is why they get insulted much quicker by perceived insults.

    Saying something like "your magic man in the sky" or "Jesus is a myth like Santa" is insulting to a Christian and rightfully so. Comments like that are not constructive and result in hostility.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree with you here. My initial comment was much the same statement.

    Most religious people consider the faith they have as part of who they are. This is why they get insulted much quicker by perceived insults.

    Saying something like "your magic man in the sky" or "Jesus is a myth like Santa" is insulting to a Christian and rightfully so. Comments like that are not constructive and result in hostility.
    You notice that some atheists (not all) will make comments like the ones you referenced and act completely surprised when an Christian takes offense yet they will be gnashing their teeth and tearing their shirts when a Christian comments on their lack of faith and how uninspired the atheist's moral code must be. Ironic, isn't it?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Here's the problem as I see it...and it, as usual, starts with the extremists. You have some religious extremists who proselytize and attempt to push their beliefs on everyone, claiming that what they think is "correct". This, of course, brings the extreme atheists out of the woodwork, insulting anyone who believes in GOD. Now, what this accomplishes is a few things. Firstly, both groups of extremists attack everyone on the other side of their ideology, even those, of whom are the vast majority, who couldn't give a hoot about what anyone else believes and have no desire to place their beliefs on anyone else. Secondly, these non-extremists grow tired of being needlessly attacked, by the opposing extremists, sometimes forcing them to become more aggressive in order to defend themselves against unprovoked attacks. Lastly, this causes more of a divide, all cause by extremists who, with seeming little ego strength, feel the need to push their positions on others, or feel the need to degrade others positions, when, for the most part, those that they oppose could care less about imposing their beliefs on anyone else.

    So, I now propose a question for atheists who seem to like to attack those of faith. I believe in GOD. I have no intention of placing my beliefs on you or anyone else. I do not want religion mixed with government in any way and will fight as strongly as you will against that happening. I am content to live my life with my beliefs and have no issue with you living yours with yours. Why do you feel the need to attack and degrade my belief system to me when I will not, in any way, attempt to place my beliefs on you?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree with you here. My initial comment was much the same statement.

    Most religious people consider the faith they have as part of who they are. This is why they get insulted much quicker by perceived insults.

    Saying something like "your magic man in the sky" or "Jesus is a myth like Santa" is insulting to a Christian and rightfully so. Comments like that are not constructive and result in hostility.
    I've said "great surveillance camera in the sky" but that was to make the point that fear of god is a contemptible reason to be good.

    People have also confused one of my arguments with "Jesus is a myth like Santa." This often comes up when someone makes an argument ad ignorantum. They support their claim with the fact that one cannot disprove their god, and when I bring up some of the infinite number of things that cannot be proven (flying spaghetti monster, celestial teapots, unicorns) and explain that "just because these things can't be disproven doesn't make you believe in them any does it?"

    But they read that and hear "You're as childish as people who believe in unicorns" rather than my point that not being able to disprove a claim is not an argument for its truth.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You notice that some atheists (not all) will make comments like the ones you referenced and act completely surprised when an Christian takes offense yet they will be gnashing their teeth and tearing their shirts when a Christian comments on their lack of faith and how uninspired the atheist's moral code must be. Ironic, isn't it?
    Actually, I see some atheists reveling in the fact that a Christian takes offense at insulting comments.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    EDIT: By that I mean, no where in recent decades. Things were alot different in the days of Newton.
    This is a really good example from encyclopedia.com:

    "Geologists believe the explosion of new species that occurred during the Cambrian period can be explained by sudden, large swings in the Earth's axis of rotation caused by the shifting of continental masses. The shifting axis may have prompted weather and other changes, which placed stress on existing species." - New theory tilts Earth on its axis. (theory explains 'Cambrian explosion') - Insight on the News | Encyclopedia.com

    The evidence for this "theory" is weak at best, and yet it is still a scientific theory. This is what I mean by an educated guess. It does not make the science wrong or anything, but it is no less a guess on the part of scientists.

    This debate is about "theory" and it's scientific usage, and not "evolution" so forgive the use of an example that is closely related.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree with you here. My initial comment was much the same statement.

    Most religious people consider the faith they have as part of who they are. This is why they get insulted much quicker by perceived insults.

    Saying something like "your magic man in the sky" or "Jesus is a myth like Santa" is insulting to a Christian and rightfully so. Comments like that are not constructive and result in hostility.
    I do not understand why some Christians consider things like "your magic man in the sky" or "Jesus is a myth like Santa" an insult.. It is true to them? I dunno.

    If you are deep in your faith why would that even bother you? I am just trying to understand here. I mean I could understand if someone said I love the thought of Jesus being nailed to a Crux and things like that..

    But saying that your god is just a myth is a valid argument and should not be considered an insult.. Because to some folks? That is what "your" Jesus" IS to Them.. That is their truth.. See what I mean? Jesus is a myth to a lot of people.. You really should not take that as an insult because that is their own reality.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You notice that some atheists (not all) will make comments like the ones you referenced and act completely surprised when an Christian takes offense yet they will be gnashing their teeth and tearing their shirts when a Christian comments on their lack of faith and how uninspired the atheist's moral code must be. Ironic, isn't it?
    Yes. People like Richard Dawkins (a decent fellow) can't understand when he makes references like that why people get upset.

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