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Atheists take aim at Christmas

Depends, the manner was very condescending and stated in a way designed to make people who believe other than atheist look or feel stupid, people could be drawn to violence in the context of being called stupid, or having their beliefs attacked so virulently whereas they would otherwise "turn the other cheek" had the content been a little more civil.

So you are also against Christians who say anything bad about homosexuality outside the setting of a church then because it is demeaning, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of gays then right?

Or are you just interested in protecting the feelings of Christians?
 
So you are also against Christians who say anything bad about homosexuality outside the setting of a church then because it is demeaning, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of gays then right?
Yes I am in fact.

Or are you just interested in protecting the feelings of Christians?
Nope, I firmly believe your rights end on my person, and they are given up once you cross a certain line, in this case, the Atheists crossed it.
 
So you are also against Christians who say anything bad about homosexuality outside the setting of a church then because it is demeaning, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of gays then right?

Or are you just interested in protecting the feelings of Christians?

I like how you defended this atheist sign and then equated the sign to anti-gay hate speech, rendering yourself no better then genuine homophobic bigots.

That's not me flaming you, that's your own argument.
 
How does it not work? If you ignore it, it can't bother you. Problem solved.

"Turn the other cheek" is about leveling the battle field, not pacifism.

Backhanding someone with the right hand is a symbolic way of treating the person like trash.

By turning the other cheek, you force the person to have to use their left hand. This removes their ability to add insult to injury.

One way Christians could "turn the other cheek" here is by placing an uninsulting display of all the faith-based charities atheist groups have blocked, and highlight how many people those charities would have helped.
 
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How does it not work? If you ignore it, it can't bother you. Problem solved.
It does not work because this particular athiest mindset, the militant side, takes any and all ignorances of their shenanigans as either a sign of weakness, or acknowledgement that these acts work, and then attack with more intensity the next time, there is a breaking point, and it is obvious with the size of this thread, that it is getting close.
 
It does not work because this particular athiest mindset, the militant side, takes any and all ignorances of their shenanigans as either a sign of weakness, or acknowledgement that these acts work, and then attack with more intensity the next time, there is a breaking point, and it is obvious with the size of this thread, that it is getting close.

It's obvious that you're failing to grasp my point. It would work. If the Christians were Christ-like and simply ignored the sign, the group that put up the sign would not have the satisfaction of knowing they pissed the Christians off. Instead, people are feeding into it and protesting and getting angry...

THEY'RE GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
 
It's obvious that you're failing to grasp my point. It would work. If the Christians were Christ-like and simply ignored the sign, the group that put up the sign would not have the satisfaction of knowing they pissed the Christians off. Instead, people are feeding into it and protesting and getting angry...

THEY'RE GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
I understand what you are getting at, but disagree to an extent. Here's the way I see it, if a moderate Atheist came to me and said "I believe there is no god, and here is why........" I would say "cool, well, I disagree, and here is why......" then we could discuss, part ways satisfactorily, and understand our own beliefs and agendas just a little better, along with gaining insight on the other opinion and how it came about, that is good, honest debate. Here is where the problem comes, when an Atheist says "there is no god, you just need to accept it and join the intelligent side", then I would say "bring alot of sunblock with you, cause you're gonna need it in the afterlife", it's no longer debate, just tit-for-tat arguing, which helps no one. The secondary problem comes when Atheists decide to misuse the law to force people to acknowledge their beliefs, that is the problem of ignoring these symbolic acts(or should I say attacks).
 
I understand what you are getting at, but disagree to an extent. Here's the way I see it, if a moderate Atheist came to me and said "I believe there is no god, and here is why........" I would say "cool, well, I disagree, and here is why......" then we could discuss, part ways satisfactorily, and understand our own beliefs and agendas just a little better, along with gaining insight on the other opinion and how it came about, that is good, honest debate. Here is where the problem comes, when an Atheist says "there is no god, you just need to accept it and join the intelligent side", then I would say "bring alot of sunblock with you, cause you're gonna need it in the afterlife", it's no longer debate, just tit-for-tat arguing, which helps no one.

I agree, but this is irrelevant. Your argument is emotional.


The secondary problem comes when Atheists decide to misuse the law to force people to acknowledge their beliefs, that is the problem of ignoring these symbolic acts(or should I say attacks).

By your logic, a baby in a manger is Christians forcing others to acknowledge their beliefs.
 
I agree, but this is irrelevant. Your argument is emotional.
Not emotional at all. Most Atheists are good, hard working people who don't get offended by others beliefs, then there is that 5% or so that will do anything to silence opposing views, they, like anyone else who demands to be heard will do what it takes to monopolize their place in open society, and are dangerous from any logical viewpoint. Regardless of beliefs, we should all band together to reign them in.




By your logic, a baby in a manger is Christians forcing others to acknowledge their beliefs.
I could see how this could be seen as such, but I really believe that if it is placed in a respectful manner, and you have the right to disagree, then it isn't forcing as much as displaying. The problem with this particular sign is it was placed predominately in view of the opposing belief and within eyesight of those who would want to view it, that is forcing beliefs in a defacto way.
 
I could see how this could be seen as such, but I really believe that if it is placed in a respectful manner, and you have the right to disagree, then it isn't forcing as much as displaying. The problem with this particular sign is it was placed predominately in view of the opposing belief and within eyesight of those who would want to view it, that is forcing beliefs in a defacto way.

C'mon.... you can't actually believe this. It's a sign. No one is "forcing beliefs" on anyone. If you don't want to see the sign, don't look at it. It's really that simple.
 
C'mon.... you can't actually believe this. It's a sign. No one is "forcing beliefs" on anyone. If you don't want to see the sign, don't look at it. It's really that simple.
I wouldn't mind if it wasn't directly in view of my season's symbol, that is all really.

View attachment 67109152 I am offended by this, I think most people likewise would be regardless of faith.
 
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I am offended by this, I think most people likewise would be regardless of faith.

Then stop being weak willed. How strong is your faith in Christ that this upsets you so much? How fragile are your convictions?
 
Then stop being weak willed. How strong is your faith in Christ that this upsets you so much? How fragile are your convictions?

I don't think it has anything to do with faith at all. It was just a mean spirited rude action, nothing more.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with faith at all. It was just a mean spirited rude action, nothing more.

I'm not denying that it's mean spirited, rude, ignorant, etc. I do, however, believe it's perfectly acceptable for that sign to be there, right beside the Nativity Scene.
 
I'm not denying that it's mean spirited, rude, ignorant, etc. I do, however, believe it's perfectly acceptable for that sign to be there, right beside the Nativity Scene.

I agree. I don't think his reaction has anything to do with his faith though. I think it has more to do with him seeing it as an attack on religion, which unfortunately it is.

An attack is an aggressive move on the offenders part. When someone or something is attacked, someone will defend it. I think he is just defending that which he sees as under attack.
 
I agree. I don't think his reaction has anything to do with his faith though. I think it has more to do with him seeing it as an attack on religion, which unfortunately it is.

An attack is an aggressive move on the offenders part. When someone or something is attacked, someone will defend it. I think he is just defending that which he sees as under attack.

Understandable.

He, being a Christian, would be under the assumption that he's living in God's light and has Christ in his heart and all of that. So I guess I'm having trouble understanding why he would care if someone is telling him he's wrong. He should simply laugh and shrug it off.
 
I'm not denying that it's mean spirited, rude, ignorant, etc. I do, however, believe it's perfectly acceptable for that sign to be there, right beside the Nativity Scene.
That is where we disagree, I don't feel it is at all acceptable to be at it's location, I would go as far as to say it could be in the same general area, but on top of another belief's symbol is harsh.

I don't think it has anything to do with faith at all. It was just a mean spirited rude action, nothing more.
Bingo!
 
That is where we disagree, I don't feel it is at all acceptable to be at it's location, I would go as far as to say it could be in the same general area, but on top of another belief's symbol is harsh.

Again, your argument is very emotional.
 
Understandable.

He, being a Christian, would be under the assumption that he's living in God's light and has Christ in his heart and all of that. So I guess I'm having trouble understanding why he would care if someone is telling him he's wrong. He should simply laugh and shrug it off.
Don't get me wrong, if it had been the other way around I would be just as offended, I believe in freedom of but not from religion(or belief), and I don't believe anyone should be directly attacked for their beliefs, laughed at sometimes.....sure when something is dogmatic, but not directly attacked.
 
Understandable.

He, being a Christian, would be under the assumption that he's living in God's light and has Christ in his heart and all of that. So I guess I'm having trouble understanding why he would care if someone is telling him he's wrong. He should simply laugh and shrug it off.

If someone called me a "nigger" should I just laugh because I am conferrable in my skin? Or do you think I would be insulted comfortable or not? I can tell you I would be insulted.

I would not handle it in the same way as him, but the thing they did is no less insulting to me as a Christian as well.
 
Again, your argument is very emotional.
Eh, not really using emotion on this one, when I said "I feel" it was more of the "it could be construed as an attack" rather than my personal feelings, and harsh is a pretty good descriptive term for doing something like this during a religious celebratory time.
 
If someone called me a "nigger" should I just laugh because I am conferrable in my skin? Or do you think I would be insulted comfortable or not? I can tell you I would be insulted.

I would not handle it in the same way as him, but the thing they did is no less insulting to me as a Christian as well.
I'm not insulted as a Christian or specifically Catholic per se, I am more insulted at the notion that the Atheists are arrogant, and looking to deny other people their happiness in a time that is very happy for them. Fact is, I am more spiritual than religious and think many of the celebrations and symbols are secondary to the holiday, but the symbolism behind this particular act disgusts me simply as an American.
 
If someone called me a "nigger" should I just laugh because I am conferrable in my skin? Or do you think I would be insulted comfortable or not? I can tell you I would be insulted.

Really? You want to have this stupid argument?

Religion is a choice, race is not. Thanks for playing.
 
Don't get me wrong, if it had been the other way around I would be just as offended, I believe in freedom of but not from religion(or belief), and I don't believe anyone should be directly attacked for their beliefs, laughed at sometimes.....sure when something is dogmatic, but not directly attacked.

If Christians put up a sign that said "Celebrate Christmas. There is only one true God! Evolution is wrong and the Big Bang never happened!" I would giggle.
 
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