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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    So atheists are rude for putting up their sign. How many lawsuits and how many news stories have we heard in the last 100 years about putting religious symbols on public property and yet year after year xians continually thumb their noses at those of us who pay taxes and do not believe in their religion? Who is rude?
    The one's bringing the lawsuits are the one's who are rude. No symbol affected you in any way. No symbol established a national religion or gave and existing religion municipal power, so no symbol ever violated the 1st amendment.

    And no, acknowledgment does not violate the 1st amendment, only establishment does. No again, the presence of a symbol does not establish a single thing. Acknowledgment is merely a cultural vestige and nothing more.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The one's bringing the lawsuits are the one's who are rude. No symbol affected you in any way. No symbol established a national religion or gave and existing religion municipal power, so no symbol ever violated the 1st amendment.

    And no, acknowledgment does not violate the 1st amendment, only establishment does. No again, the presence of a symbol does not establish a single thing. Acknowledgment is merely a cultural vestige and nothing more.
    Spot on, that is exactly right.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Why do we have to have a law for everything?

    We do have hate crimes. Gotta watch what you're doing in other words. If the stuff gets too vicious it could be considered hate.
    In other words, you don't like people saying bad things about Christianity. Boo hoo.

    I don't like what some conservatives say about gays yet it isn't illegal for them to say it.

    Get over it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And no, acknowledgment does not violate the 1st amendment, only establishment does. No again, the presence of a symbol does not establish a single thing. Acknowledgment is merely a cultural vestige and nothing more.
    It does when said people refuse to put any other religious symbols on government property. So shall we have something from ALL religions?

    So which situation is easier to make sure the 1st is not violated?

    #1. Include all religions and put symbols from every religion on government property or.
    #2. Don't put any religious symbols up thus not supporting one over another?

    Anything other then those 2 would be a violation of the 1st.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    No, really, the atheists are out of line with what they are saying about religion directly there. They should get their own building or somewhere away from the manger and say what they like there, but not right beside the nativity. That's sort of inciteful to my way of thinking, and we need to watch inciteful.
    I think Christians who put the nativity scene are out of line for insulting my intelligence with their fairy tales. So where are we now?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    In other words, you don't like people saying bad things about Christianity. Boo hoo.
    It's not what is said, it is how it is said.

    I don't like what some conservatives say about gays yet it isn't illegal for them to say it.
    Time, place, manner. If someone says the wrong thing at a gay pride parade and a riot ensues, it may not be exactly legal to say it. Same principle, different example.

    Get over it.
    Stop doing it.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It does when said people refuse to put any other religious symbols on government property. So shall we have something from ALL religions?
    If the religion wants to be represented in a respectful manner, so be it.



    #1. Include all religions and put symbols from every religion on government property or.
    Only if those within the community request it.
    #2. Don't put any religious symbols up thus not supporting one over another?
    That would be a violation of the first, as it would suppress religious expression.

    Anything other then those 2 would be a violation of the 1st.
    Nope, the second WOULD be a violation of the first.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Time, place, manner. If someone says the wrong thing at a gay pride parade and a riot ensues, it may not be exactly legal to say it. Same principle, different example.
    Can you show us where the riot is over this?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Stop doing it.
    Get over it, it's not illegal. Christianity sucks and is a fairy tale, now are you going to arrest me?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    Great but it does not mention Christ as another poster suggests the word Christmas as proof of a mass for Christ.
    It is clear that it is a reference to the birth of Christ. Unless you think it is a reference to the birth of the Great Pumpkin or something.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post

    No, really, the atheists are out of line with what they are saying about religion directly there. They should get their own building or somewhere away from the manger and say what they like there, but not right beside the nativity. That's sort of inciteful to my way of thinking, and we need to watch inciteful.
    It is a tasteless tactic and potentially inciteful (though it generally takes much more to incite larges groups of Chrisitans - unlike Muslims.) This can't be argued. However, I don't think it crosses the line of legality or constitutionality. I disagree with both the message and the tactics, but unless you can show it really presents a danger, it should also be protected.
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