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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The French word Nol derives from the Latin word natalis meaning birth.

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    Great but it does not mention Christ as another poster suggests the word Christmas as proof of a mass for Christ.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Bad manners? Don't remember that being in the Constitution. They're not hurting anyone, let them keep the sign up. Freedom of speech>freedom to not be challenged in your beliefs.
    They are mocking someone's religious beliefs, and no matter how far fetched we might think those beliefs are, they shouldn't be mocked directly. This should be done behind their backs like people with manners do things.

    No, really, the atheists are out of line with what they are saying about religion directly there. They should get their own building or somewhere away from the manger and say what they like there, but not right beside the nativity. That's sort of inciteful to my way of thinking, and we need to watch inciteful.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    Great but it does not mention Christ as another poster suggests the word Christmas as proof of a mass for Christ.
    Yeah, I suppose it could be interpreted as referring to the birth (or "rebirth", as the case may be) and renewal of the natural world, although this hardly makes sense, since it's in early to mid-winter.
    It would make more sense in the spring.
    It sort of screws things up for Pagan/Christian unity that Jesus was supposedly born in winter, when nature has "died", and that Jesus died in spring, right about the time nature is "reborn". Then he came back to life, of course, but that's not really the same thing as being reborn. He came back to life as an adult. He didn't become a baby again. He crawled out of a tomb, not a womb.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    They are mocking someone's religious beliefs, and no matter how far fetched we might think those beliefs are, they shouldn't be mocked directly.
    And that is against the law how?

    So here is what I've gotten out of the right.

    Mocking Christianity = bad and should not be allowed
    making amendments against Gays marrying = good and should be allowed.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    So atheists are rude for putting up their sign. How many lawsuits and how many news stories have we heard in the last 100 years about putting religious symbols on public property and yet year after year xians continually thumb their noses at those of us who pay taxes and do not believe in their religion? Who is rude?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And that is against the law how?

    So here is what I've gotten out of the right.

    Mocking Christianity = bad and should not be allowed
    making amendments against Gays marrying = good and should be allowed.
    Not the mocking of Christianity, the mocking of religion. Need to keep it to yourself, or between you, and close friends. I believe having manners is very important in society, especially one as large as we have. Call it graciousness, tolerance, whatever, we need more of it.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    So atheists are rude for putting up their sign. How many lawsuits and how many news stories have we heard in the last 100 years about putting religious symbols on public property and yet year after year xians continually thumb their noses at those of us who pay taxes and do not believe in their religion? Who is rude?
    The deal with religious stuff on public property can be debated. It's not creating a national religion, this hasn't happened in this country in over 200 years. Religious expression is still free. The Christmas holidays rake in a lot of dough for retailers, and spin off into many areas, so it's good for the economy to a healthy degree. The atheists need to come up with something that delivers money into the coffers if they are so smart, or just sit back and let the Christians fall all over themselves, what's the big deal? I think it's a lot of nothing about nothing.

    The Christians are putting a little babe in a manger with Mary, and Joseph, a couple cows, and a lamb. Who knows if these people even existed. Let them have their fun for crissakes and quit making a mountain out of a molehill is my philosophy.

    Also, people are pretty smart, and they can figure stuff out on their own most of the time. This is just hatred and vengefulness. Doesn't speak well of atheists. Why waste so much time going to court? Really silly!
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Not the mocking of Christianity, the mocking of religion. Need to keep it to yourself, or between you, and close friends. I believe having manners is very important in society, especially one as large as we have. Call it graciousness, tolerance, whatever, we need more of it.
    Again so what? There is no law against mocking a religion.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again so what? There is no law against mocking a religion.
    Why do we have to have a law for everything?

    We do have hate crimes. Gotta watch what you're doing in other words. If the stuff gets too vicious it could be considered hate.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    With all due respect what you're suggesting is incredibly Anti-American. Freedom of Speech gives people the right to post offensive statements whether you think it's appropriate or not. And lacks manners? OMG, really who are you to judge something like this?
    First of all, the first logical fallacy in this is the absolutism of the first amendment, the SCOTUS has already ruled that certain speech is NOT protected, like fighting words, incitement to riot, obscenity, libel, and defamation, you are taking an absolutist stance. Secondly, attacking people's core beliefs right next to a symbol of their core beliefs can be seen as an attack(fighting words) and if said people who felt attacked decided to riot, the onus would most likely be on those who started it, that is, the people who put an atheist slogan right next to a manger scene(incitement to riot), so, it could be seen by those who felt attacked and law enforcement as unprotected speech under the correct circumstances. Third, why attack people in that manner, anyone who believes in decency could make the call you are questioning, who are YOU to judge people's opinions?

    I think the sign is offensive too but I will defend their right to display as I would anyone who is legally expressing Freedom of Speech.
    It was in horrendous taste and the people who put it up should be ashamed of themselves.

    What you are suggesting is that you want to censor things that are offensive and bad manners which is totally and completely illegal according to the Constitution of the United States. I'm guessing that upon further consideration you do not truly think the sign should be taken down, right?
    See the first response.
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