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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nope we say Holidays not Holydays. Some people need hooked on phonics.
    The English word Holiday derives from holidai in Middle English and hālig dæg in Old ENglish, both of which mean "Holy Day."
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But the origins of the holiday are completely pagan. It was merely renamed by the Christians. Shouldn't the original be what we take as the true meaning?
    This is untrue, as I have already shown.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The date of Christmas was deliberately chosen by the Church to coincide with Saturnalia in Rome, so that it could directly compete with the Pagan holidays that it was trying to oust. I don't think it had much to do with living in peace so much as it was about displacement.
    No, it was not. It was selected by the church to come exactly nine months after the celebration of the Annunciation to Mary of Christ's birth.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The actual Mass is Christian, you are equating the celebratory tradition to the rites, which is not correct.
    The RELIGIOUS rites of CHristmas are Judeo-Christian in origin. Some of the traditions in various parts of the world are cultural in nature, but the religious celebration is Judeo-Christian at its root.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    This is untrue, as I have already shown.
    No you haven't. Christmas was created to usurp the pagan holiday. It has pagan roots because it took on much of the holiday into itself and called itself something different and made a new celebration. But it's roots are pagan. Just because now you celebrate it as something else doesn't change what the holiday was originally. And since many are arguing stagnation and that the original meaning should be held, then the original meaning of the winter solstice celebration should hold too.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The way you've quoted it and italicized, I've inferred you think that I'm improperly using the word "transgress".

    transgressing - definition of transgressing by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The RELIGIOUS rites of CHristmas are Judeo-Christian in origin. Some of the traditions in various parts of the world are cultural in nature, but the religious celebration is Judeo-Christian at its root.
    True, but I was adressing the Pagan aspects that were accused of being stolen. While they are cultural in nature, the mass is the most important key of the season, I think many who try to use the Pagan holiday argument fail to see that the mass and celebration are not interchangeable.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No you haven't. Christmas was created to usurp the pagan holiday. It has pagan roots because it took on much of the holiday into itself and called itself something different and made a new celebration. But it's roots are pagan. Just because now you celebrate it as something else doesn't change what the holiday was originally. And since many are arguing stagnation and that the original meaning should be held, then the original meaning of the winter solstice celebration should hold too.
    Have you seen my prior posts on this issue? All you have done is CLAIMED that the roots are pagan with no logic or evidence to back you up.

    I have used SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE to give backing to the December date as well as a logical linkage between the celebrtion of the Annunciation and the fact that Christmas was celebrated exactly nine months later.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    True, but I was adressing the Pagan aspects that were accused of being stolen. While they are cultural in nature, the mass is the most important key of the season, I think many who try to use the Pagan holiday argument fail to see that the mass and celebration are not interchangeable.
    All true. Furthermore, most of the so-called "pagan" influences in Christmas that have been cited here thus far came into the Christmas celebration CENTURIES after the December 25th date was set.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Have you seen my prior posts on this issue? All you have done is CLAIMED that the roots are pagan with no logic or evidence to back you up.

    I have used SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE to give backing to the December date as well as a logical linkage between the celebrtion of the Annunciation and the fact that Christmas was celebrated exactly nine months later.
    Christmas was purposefully placed on that date to usurp the pagan holiday. Next you're going to tell me there's scriptural evidence for the Easter Bunny and that it's not really a pagan symbol of fertility. The base argument is stagnation and original intent. The original intent of the winter solstice celebration is the pagan holiday. If original intent holds over actual use then any winter solstice celebration is pagan.
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