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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Does that make Christmas a pagan holiday?
    Being that Christmas is literally "Christ's mass", no.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I consider the word origins. And in terms of the word origin, Holiday derives from Holy Day. Don't blame me; I didn't make the origin up. It is what it is.
    Holiday does come from Holy Day, but when I say "holiday", I'm saying "holiday" not "holy day". The word has now transgressed it's origin.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Holiday does come from Holy Day, but when I say "holiday", I'm saying "holiday" not "holy day". The word has now transgressed it's origin.
    The word's origin is what it is. I'm not sure what kind of "transgression" a word can make but I am sure God forgives those transgressions, too. LOL

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I consider the word origins. And in terms of the word origin, Holiday derives from Holy Day. Don't blame me; I didn't make the origin up. It is what it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Being that Christmas is literally "Christ's mass", no.
    Do either of the two vocabularies carry the same bearing, weight, or intention as they did in the past for a vast majority of the world's population to indicate a holy day or christ's birth? Or has it become an excuse to binge on food, alcohol, and materialistic goods exchanged to show up good faith towards friends, family, co-workers and neighbors complete with cultural traditions and celebrations that to some, extend to times prior to christianity?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Being that Christmas is literally "Christ's mass", no.
    But the origins of the holiday are completely pagan. It was merely renamed by the Christians. Shouldn't the original be what we take as the true meaning?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But the origins of the holiday are completely pagan. It was merely renamed by the Christians. Shouldn't the original be what we take as the true meaning?
    Some of the practices may be pagan in origin, but Christ's Mass is exactly what it is; Christ's Mass.

    My birthday often is on mother's day. Does that mean that one is the other or vice versa? No.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    The practice was merely usurped in an attempt to convert pagans over. The actual holiday is pagan in origin. If things can't evolve (like the meaning of holiday), that we must take the original as still valid. The origins of the holiday we call Christmas is pagan, the name was merely changed.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The practice was merely usurped in an attempt to convert pagans over. The actual holiday is pagan in origin. If things can't evolve (like the meaning of holiday), that we must take the original as still valid. The origins of the holiday we call Christmas is pagan, the name was merely changed.
    No, not at all. Your analysis is severely flawed.

    Christ's Mass is a separate celebration from Yule, entirely. The dates simply coincide as an attempt to keep pagans and Christians from killing each other on their holy days (holidays). And, yes, it was also an attempt at converting pagans but, in effect, the two holidays (holy days) are completely separate occurrences that now share a date or a season.

    Christmas is Christ's Mass. Yule is the celebration of the winter solstice. A mixing of the traditions does nothing to diminish the origins of either.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    The date of Christmas was deliberately chosen by the Church to coincide with Saturnalia in Rome, so that it could directly compete with the Pagan holidays that it was trying to oust. I don't think it had much to do with living in peace so much as it was about displacement.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The date of Christmas was deliberately chosen by the Church to coincide with Saturnalia in Rome, so that it could directly compete with the Pagan holidays that it was trying to oust. I don't think it had much to do with living in peace so much as it was about displacement.
    Personally I'm over it.
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