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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If it's a private company though, they can do as they wish. So long as it's not forced through the government I don't see any problem with it.


    I agree with the private company angle as I am sure you would know.


    I was talking in schools, public places, etc....
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    I'm an Atheist and I say "Merry Christmas" to most people. If they say "But I'm not Christian" I say, "Cool, neither am I!"
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I agree with the private company angle as I am sure you would know.


    I was talking in schools, public places, etc....
    I don't get that. Who is forced to say Happy Holidays? In school or public places? I think people are quite free to say Merry Christmas if they want, so long as they aren't on the job and the job requests them to say something different. But if someone is just out and about at school or outside and says "Merry Christmas", I don't think that person gets into any trouble.

    Can teachers say Merry Christmas? Don't know I guess that would be up to the school board. I wouldn't have a problem with it, nor do I think one can get into trouble with the government if they said just that. Can students say Merry Christmas? I don't see any way the school could prevent it. Out in public? It's the same deal. If you're working, you abide by the rules of the workplace. If you're not working; you're free to do as you wish.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't get that. Who is forced to say Happy Holidays? In school or public places?
    Again, I don't think it's an issue of anyone being forced to say Happy Holidays. It's just another example of Christian symbols bieng eliminated from public view. Whether by CSU-Sacramento or UNC-Charlotte banning Christmas decorations or NY state's Dept of Education prohibiting Christian Nativity scenes and creches from public school Christmas displays but permitting Menorahs and Muslim Moom and Stars. This was followed by Palm Beach, Fla banning Christian symbols in a public square while permitting a Menorah to be placed there. BTW - The NY State Dept of Ed won subsequent litigation when the SCOTUS denied certioari after a district court and circuit court approved of the dept's decision to prohibit displaying a nativity scene or creche.

    Again the issue ain't simply about Merry Christmas being replaced by Happy Holidays. The issue is that this shift is just another in a long line of examples of a war against Christmas and the elimination of Christian symbols from the public square.

    Show of hands...any communities in their state yet resorted to denying that a Christmas tree ain't really a symbol of Christmas like the NJ town cited in the WSJ article above? Or left to argue that a pine tree places next to Menorah constitutes equal treatment of religious symbols?

    I mean, these are lengths people are going to segregate Chritianity from Christmas.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    I am of the opinion that the State and communities can allow or disallow whatever they want from being displayed on their property. Their property, their rules. This of course swings both ways. If they wanted only a manger scene, then that's what gets put up. Yes, it's nice to put up other symbols, but one doesn't have to. I think the all or nothing mentality ends up ruling out rational decision and limitation. You can't possibly display everything, display what you want. Now I would put that mostly into the hands of the community itself, which would mean that which happened in NY schools and such would most likely be reversed (where in it would predominately be Christian symbols and little to no other symbols), since public property is owned by the People at large.

    I also had no problem with the 10 commandments being displayed outside State courthouses...up to the State. So long as the courts rule by the laws of man and not the laws of their gods, no harm no foul IMO. We should be aware of others beliefs and we can be nice about it; we don't need to go overboard one way or the other. I think a lot of this comes down to both sides wishing to be unreasonable about these things. And thus you get the tugs to the extreme ends instead of what could just be rational compromise. And in that compromise we could find growth. Acknowledge other religions, perhaps allow displays from some of the bigger ones. It doesn't necessarily have to be only Christian symbols, but Christian symbols shouldn't be banned if you're going to allow other symbols as well.

    I don't typically buy the whole "war on Christmas" or "war on Christians" line. Sometimes it appears to be more a raging against the machine sort of thing as one can not deny the dominance that Christianity has enjoyed over most of the West for a long time. But at the same time, I don't submit that we take a wholly anti-theist route either. Freedom of religion is protected, and needs to be protected to its maximum. That's how freedom works. Prayer in school is fine so long as its not forced. Religious displays on public land are ok so long as they are in accordance to the will of the community. Be considerate, but also know there is a limit to what can be put up and the money which can be invested.

    Christmas, BTW, is already segregated from Christianity. And it didn't take atheists or the "left" to do it. All it took was the innate greed and consumer habits of the people. Look around, it's not about Christ anymore; it's about stuff and how much of it you can get. If we were truly rational and religious people, Christmas would be akin to Thanksgiving. A period of time when you get together with family. Specifically Christmas would focus around religious celebration and perhaps the giving of a small amount of gifts. But that's gone, destroyed by some of the very people who rally behind the banner of "war on Christmas".
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It did also give Bill O'Reilly an excuse to start up his annual War on Christmas nonsense.
    Secular Humanists and atheists waged war against Christmas two decades ago.
    I wish the ACLU (Anti Christ Liberal Union) a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Secular Humanists and atheists waged war against Christmas two decades ago.
    I wish the ACLU (Anti Christ Liberal Union) a Merry Christmas and a Happy.
    Uh, the obscene amount of nonsense you subscribe to scares me. Indoctrination complete.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Uh, the obscene amount of nonsense you subscribe to scares me. Indoctrination complete.
    Your "logic" and "reasoning" are simply flawed but I'm inclined to believe there's medication available for your mental disorder.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Your "logic" and "reasoning" are simply flawed but I'm inclined to believe there's medication available for your mental disorder.
    Care to back up your statements with proof that my logic and reason are flawed? Or are you content with simply spewing oral diarrhea all over this thread?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    People who say Happy Holidays aren't getting out of anything; they're still saying Holy-days. Hahahaha, fools.
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