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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    The religious intonnation of christ birthday has absolutely no meaning nor significance towards non-christians that nevertheless celebrate for the sake that A) it's a day off (in Taiwan it used to be) and B) it's another excuse to go on vacation.
    But you would be surprised by how many non-Christian Taiwanese attend mass on Christmas Eve.

    Even if they aren't recognizing it for the religious purposes (which is fine with me), it merely was a response to people who say wishing someone a Merry Christmas is excusionary to non Christians. This is only true if you CHOOSe to be an exclusionist - which most Christians are not - and most Taiwanese embrace elements of the celebration - which I think is great.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Oh, and personally, I couldn't give a hoot whether someone says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", or whatever, as long as no one is forced to to say either. If you are Christian, and I know it, I will wish you "Merry Christmas". If I do not, I will wish you "Happy Holidays". Either way, I am wishing you well. If you are offended with "Happy Holidays", that is YOUR PROBLEM. My intent was to wish you well, and if you are unwilling to accept that, then you can be happy with your self-righteous arrogance. It will not affect me or what I say in any way.
    Thank you and well said. (insert Happy Holidays smilie here)

    *note: and why isn't there a "Happy Holidays" smilie?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.







    When someone wishes me something positive in thier faith I am honored that they consider me in thier prayer and celebration.


    If I know someone is jewish I will wish them a happy jewish holiday like Chaunikka (however you spell it). If I don't know I will wish you a merry Christmas....


    Likewise if a jewish person were to wish me a happy chaunika I would take it as a very nice thing to say to me.

    Same with all faiths, beliefs, and what not.



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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.

    Wait a second...you read that comment from me and interpreted it to mean that I was really saying just screw everyone else who is not Christian?

    That is absurd.

    To arrive at such an interpretation you must be imputing some motivations to me. Hence, it ain't my words, but your attribution to me of certain prejudices or biases.

    And I find that drawing an equivalency between door-to-door sales and missionary work to be gross. And the only reason such an equivalency is presented is to explicitly caricature Christians and others who do neighborhood work to spread their faith and gin up interest in their house of worship.

    Saying "Happy Holidays" is wishing someone well for the holiday season. If you have a problem with that, then that is YOUR PROBLEM, not the problem of the speaker.
    I know what it is intended to mean. I simply see the shift from Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays and banning Christmas decorations by local governments, public universities, and private firms because "Merry Christmas" (as the California State University at Sacramento and UNC-Charlotte administrators believed) was "ethnically insensitive" as just another in a long string of events removing Christianity from the public square.

    Please don't act as though I merely have a problem with the words. My posts have clearly indicated what I perceive to be a much larger/broader issue here.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Oh, and personally, I couldn't give a hoot whether someone says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", or whatever, as long as no one is forced to to say either. If you are Christian, and I know it, I will wish you "Merry Christmas". If I do not, I will wish you "Happy Holidays". Either way, I am wishing you well. If you are offended with "Happy Holidays", that is YOUR PROBLEM. My intent was to wish you well, and if you are unwilling to accept that, then you can be happy with your self-righteous arrogance. It will not affect me or what I say in any way.
    Happy Hanukkah you filthy animal.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When someone wishes me something positive in thier faith I am honored that they consider me in thier prayer and celebration.

    If I know someone is jewish I will wish them a happy jewish holiday like Chaunikka (however you spell it). If I don't know I will wish you a merry Christmas....

    Likewise if a jewish person were to wish me a happy chaunika I would take it as a very nice thing to say to me.

    Same with all faiths, beliefs, and what not.

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    Same here; I see NO problemo with it. If I lived in a Muslim country, I also would not expect to see Nativity scenes and Merry Christmas; if I lived in Israel, I would not expect to see Nativity scenes and Merry Christmas.

    I guess, logic would dictate that it depends on where you live and the MAJORITY living in those countries that dictates the dominant culture. It's all about respect I tell ya.


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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When someone wishes me something positive in thier faith I am honored that they consider me in thier prayer and celebration.


    If I know someone is jewish I will wish them a happy jewish holiday like Chaunikka (however you spell it). If I don't know I will wish you a merry Christmas....


    Likewise if a jewish person were to wish me a happy chaunika I would take it as a very nice thing to say to me.

    Same with all faiths, beliefs, and what not.



    Namaste.....
    Cool, well as an atheist I guess Happy Holidays is ok for me to say then.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Cool, well as an atheist I guess Happy Holidays is ok for me to say then.



    Sure I don't care.


    I don't like policy though stating one must say "happy holidays"... That kinda irks me.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Sure I don't care.


    I don't like policy though stating one must say "happy holidays"... That kinda irks me.
    If it's a private company though, they can do as they wish. So long as it's not forced through the government I don't see any problem with it.
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