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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No, Muslims just bomb and kill you if you don't convert.

    Seriously, looking at the history of CONQUEST that Muslims engaged in for the purpose of converting people, making this comparison is not the best to make.

    Islam is also a missionary religion. They don't go door to door in the US because it is too dangerous to do so. I am no fan of the ignorance of Mormons and JWs. Once, a Mormon missionary called me a "Mary Worshipper." I slammed the door in his face. (not saying this was the best reaction, but I was already annoyed because he knocked on my door while I was watching a US-Mexico World Cup qualifying match.)
    Yeah, ALL Muslims do that. That must be why it happens so much in our country or with the regular non-extremist Muslims.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Yeah, ALL Muslims do that. That must be why it happens so much in our country or with the regular non-extremist Muslims.
    I always wondered what the constant sound was. Now I know it's the boom from the 1.1 billion bombs going off by all the worlds Muslims.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I always wondered what the constant sound was. Now I know it's the boom from the 1.1 billion bombs going off by all the worlds Muslims.
    There are no Muslims left anymore... didn't you know that they were all suicide bombers?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I live in a non-Christian country and people wish others Merry Christmas here all the time around December 25, especially in urban areas. It is celebrated in schools all over the country and many families exchange gifts. Most people here are Buddhist-Daoist. This claptrap about how the holiday does not include non-Christians is a load of crap.
    The religious intonnation of christ birthday has absolutely no meaning nor significance towards non-christians that nevertheless celebrate for the sake that A) it's a day off (in Taiwan it used to be) and B) it's another excuse to go on vacation.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Atheists take aim at Christmas - CNN.com

    You can see a picture of the sign at the link.

    I agree with the Atheists right to display their own religious message next to the nativity scene but I don't agree with the way they are doing it. There is no reason for them to blatantly attack religion in their message. If they would have written the sign describing their believes and the purpose of Winter Solstice without the attacks then there would no issue here.

    Do you think the atheists went to far with the sign? Should they not be able to place a sign at all?

    I would love to agree with the Atheists here but they are making it hard.
    They want to place a sign there, fine, they ought to be able to place whatever sign they want to. But seriously, do they have to place such a rediculous and pathetic sign there? What did the nativity scene do anything to them?
    Since when did winter solstice have anything to do with atheistic non-belief anyway? That's paganism.

    Just rediculous.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    There's no way you cold have concluded that from my comments. I commented that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is explicitly including them in the holiday.

    You drew from that that I was saying screw everyone else.

    There's no way a good faith reading of my comments gets you to such a conclusion.

    Yet another gross caricature from you.
    Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Again, obviously, Christians, and for that matter, nearly 60% of Americans, don't see Happy Holidays as including them (and I'm inferring that from the fact that 60+% of Americans prefer Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays).
    And this is an ad populum logical fallacy. It is irrelevant.


    Because it is symbolic of something larger. Whether it's eliminating Christian symbols from the public square, school prayer, etc., it's an attack on Christianity.
    Now, you are bringing in red herrings. Saying "Happy Holidays" is wishing someone well for the holiday season. If you have a problem with that, then that is YOUR PROBLEM, not the problem of the speaker.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Oh, and personally, I couldn't give a hoot whether someone says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", or whatever, as long as no one is forced to to say either. If you are Christian, and I know it, I will wish you "Merry Christmas". If I do not, I will wish you "Happy Holidays". Either way, I am wishing you well. If you are offended with "Happy Holidays", that is YOUR PROBLEM. My intent was to wish you well, and if you are unwilling to accept that, then you can be happy with your self-righteous arrogance. It will not affect me or what I say in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Funny my Muslim neighbors haven't tried to kill me since I don't convert. Generalize much?
    SOrry, forgot the green smilie.

    I WAS KIDDING!!!

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The problem is you have provided no evidence to suggest when the Annunciation took place.
    That is where you are wrong. You are evidently not reading.

    1. The Catholic Church celebrates the Annunciation on March 25.
    2. I already posted passages that shows that the Holy Spirit came to Mary in the Sixth month - which measured from Rosh Hoshana, comes in or around March. It also says that the "WILL conseive", implying that she hadn't conceived at that point.

    This is all in my previous posts. If you had read them, you wouldn't have made this statement.

    Your posts couldn't be interpreted in any other manner unless the context is that you were being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic in saying Jesus was born on December 25?
    YOU may not interpret them in any other manner, but you obviously miss what I am replying to. The assertion was made that the selection of December 25 was for the purpose of making it easier to convert pagans. To show that there are other reasons for chosing that particular date for the celebration is to show that it was NOT primarily for this purpose, NOT to prove that this is the actual date - something that is an unknown.

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