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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    It seems to me that the only ones being offended are those demanding the Merry Christmas be relegated to the ash heap of history.
    Are you sure about that? Why then does Bill O'Reilly have his yearly War On Christmas special? Why do people get offended when they are told Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?

    Those concerned about Merry Christmas being replaced by Happy Holidays are not offended, they're concerned about yet another attempt to eliminate Christianity from the public square.
    Which is paranoia and nothing more. Christianity will most likely never be eliminated from the public square considering that a majority of people in this country are Christian. I don't see it happening anytime soon.

    I thought I was clear. I thought your comment, "The fact that people are actually arguing about how to properly wish someone well is just absurd to me" unfairly characterizes the problem Christians have with this. This ain't about a holiday greeting. And you're mischaracterizing it to deliberately duck the larger issue.
    Actually, yes it is about a holiday greeting. You take issue with people saying Happy Holidays because you perceive it to purely be about being PC and that simply isn't true.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    It seems to me that the only ones being offended are those demanding the Merry Christmas be relegated to the ash heap of history.

    Those concerned about Merry Christmas being replaced by Happy Holidays are not offended, they're concerned about yet another attempt to eliminate Christianity from the public square.
    C'mon! They're gonna be the ones reaping the rewards in Heaven and playing Scrabble with Jeez-us. Let us heathens win a few battles... the Second Coming's right around the corner, anyway.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post

    Those concerned about Merry Christmas being replaced by Happy Holidays are not offended, they're concerned about yet another attempt to eliminate Christianity from the public square.
    If you get a spot with Merry Christmas in the public square Happy Holidays also gets a spot. Equal rights and all ya know

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    I have met plenty of Christians who feel like shoving their beliefs down the throats of others. However, most of these people sincerely believe that they are saving others by doing so, so I don't completely fault them. I find more fault with Christianity itself for espousing that kind of crap.
    Ah, but it isn't a christian tenet to prostelitize(sp?) people, I have met christians of smaller denominations that "witness" or, in other words, it is their specific christian values to convert others to that christian belief, otherwise they would be considered sinners in god's eyes, these smaller sects believe it is their duty to "save" everyone and yes, they are annoying, but my religion, Catholicism, and the mainstream Baptist and Episcopalian faiths are pretty much live and let live, Southern Baptists though(the evangelical ones) look out, they will "save" you whether you want their help or not, by getting laws passed, etc. Those guys are more than fair game if you want 'em.



    A religion shouldn't have to rely on door-to-door sales tactics to spread word of their religion. For this, I feel they are completely open to criticism. You don't see Buddhists or Jewish people trying to sell their religion.
    Fair enough.



    I've found that by telling Christians I'm a Satanist it causes more of a problem and they feel even more of a need to save me. So, I lie and tell them that I'm an agnostic or atheist. The last few times it happened, the women who came to my door seemed offended that I wasn't still willing to let them in to try and sell their religion to me. I've also encountered far more pushy people who put their foot in the door and turn it into a big confrontation.
    I haven't had that problem, even though I'm in the south, the Jehovah's witnesses frequent my area, but are generally very polite when they are declined.



    Each religion has a fair share of nutcases. There are plenty of people who rabidly seek to enlist others just as there are those who don't feel the need to try and shove their beliefs onto others.
    Which is why I think all of us on the sane side need to band together regardless of our beliefs, discuss them in a studious and respectful manner, and tell the extremists to shove it.



    Religious icons shouldn't be allowed in public places unless they are willing to give all religions the opportunity to display theirs as well. I'm willing to bet that a lot of Christians would be up in arms if there was a non-Christian display in a public area and no Christian display as well.
    Not me, or most of my friends of the christian faith, but I believe these should be privately donated items, not paid for from tax coffers, AND should be respectful in their placement in regards to the other belief symbols.


    The sad thing is that all religions have people like this. There are plenty of arrogant atheists who feel the need to demean others for not seeing their way. This news story is absolute proof of that.
    Well said.
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    There's the bad faith, again.

    Why is it a big deal to include non-Christians in the Christmas celebration? I ask, are non-Christians such big babies that they can't stand someone with other beliefs?
    I was going to make a point about this and totally forgot, thanks for the post and reminding me of that. I think people of other faiths take "Merry Christmas" the wrong way, to explain this a little further, it is christian to include, regardless of difference in celebration, I think some in our society take offense because they see our well wishes as an assumption of their faith, which couldn't be further from the truth as most christians go. Simply put, Merry Christmas is nothing more than the sharing of love and best wishes during the celebration.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Ah, but it isn't a christian tenet to prostelitize(sp?) people, I have met christians of smaller denominations that "witness" or, in other words, it is their specific christian values to convert others to that christian belief, otherwise they would be considered sinners in god's eyes, these smaller sects believe it is their duty to "save" everyone and yes, they are annoying, but my religion, Catholicism, and the mainstream Baptist and Episcopalian faiths are pretty much live and let live, Southern Baptists though(the evangelical ones) look out, they will "save" you whether you want their help or not, by getting laws passed, etc. Those guys are more than fair game if you want 'em.
    I should have been more specific. It's not really Christianity specifically, but certain factions of Christianity. I know exactly what you mean about Southern Baptists too. I used to attend a Southern Baptist church when i was younger.

    I haven't had that problem, even though I'm in the south, the Jehovah's witnesses frequent my area, but are generally very polite when they are declined.
    Some of them have been polite, some less. A few have done the whole "foot in the door" routine, which I found annoying.

    Which is why I think all of us on the sane side need to band together regardless of our beliefs, discuss them in a studious and respectful manner, and tell the extremists to shove it.
    Amen to that.

    Not me, or most of my friends of the christian faith, but I believe these should be privately donated items, not paid for from tax coffers, AND should be respectful in their placement in regards to the other belief symbols.
    I agree completely.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    They are promoting their religion. They are essentially assuming that people are stupid and haven't heard of Mormonism and that they should adopt these views. I call that door-to-door sales.
    The thing that really kills me is when I'm watching a great TV program and an LDS commercial comes on during the break, these ads almost ALWAYS show someone in trouble and the chirpy, cheery friend has the solution, coming in the form of course, of the Church of Later Day Saints. ARRRGH.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If you get a spot with Merry Christmas in the public square Happy Holidays also gets a spot. Equal rights and all ya know
    I'm okay with that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The thing that really kills me is when I'm watching a great TV program and an LDS commercial comes on during the break, these ads almost ALWAYS show someone in trouble and the chirpy, cheery friend has the solution, coming in the form of course, of the Church of Later Day Saints. ARRRGH.
    I know exactly what you mean. At least the commercials are good for a bit of a laugh.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Some of them have been polite, some less. A few have done the whole "foot in the door" routine, which I found annoying.
    Once they invalidate your right to say no, thank you, they have crossed the line in my opinion.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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