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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    And the problem with that is...what exactly? Oh, you think they believe that they think people are stupid.

    That's it. That's all you have. Unfairly imputing a false motivation to those you are offended by.
    I don't think that they actually believe that people are stupid, but if someone were to try and come to my door to "share" their beliefs with me I would probably ask if they think I'm stupid and incapable of doing my own research on a belief if I have interest in it.

    I know that they don't do it because, as you assert, they simply believe the rest of us are stupid.
    Read above.

    Absurd and arrogant only because you think they believe everyone else is stupid.
    Again, read above.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It is PC for some people I agree. However, in my case and in the case of many others it isn't. It's just a stupid saying that's more inclusive. Who gives a rat's ass? Personally, I don't even wish people Happy Holidays.
    Ok. But why do you insist on maligning those who do have a problem with what they see as a war against their religion? And to malign them by calling them arrogant or call them big babies?

    The second that they allow other religions to have displays they are more than welcome to have displays. Christians shouldn't get a monopoly on this or anything else.
    Sorry, but how is this applicable? The "they" you're talking about are generally locally elected officials that put up a manger and stable display.

    I think it's just a case of people trying to be whiny PC idiots. Just as I think people getting offended when people say Happy Holidays is a case of a bunch of arrogant whiny Christians getting offended for incredibly stupid reasons. The whole issue is stupid to me.
    I don't think people are offended by "Happy Holidays." It's more that this is another example of symbols of Christianity being eliminated from the public square.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I don't think that they actually believe that people are stupid,
    That's what you are saying, though. Thanks for clearing it up.

    but if someone were to try and come to my door to "share" their beliefs with me I would probably ask if they think I'm stupid and incapable of doing my own research on a belief if I have interest in it.
    Again, why do you insist that someone attempting to spread their faith or gin up interest in their house of worship must think you're stupid?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Right, 'cuz there's no holiday to see here. Just a non-holday called Christmas that we won't call Christmas...
    Um...did I say that? No, I didn't. I'm just saying that Happy Holidays is an all-inclusive statement. It even goes beyond religious/cultural differences. It could mean Thanksgiving or New Years as well.

    And that bears on this how?
    You tried to prove that you were right by saying that a majority of people don't like the term "Happy Holidays". I don't really care whether people like it or not. It's a nice sentiment to wish to someone just as "Merry Christmas" is. The fact that people are actually arguing about how to properly wish someone well is just absurd to me. I think that if someone were to actually get offended that you didn't wish them well properly by specifying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays" then they don't deserve the sentiment in the first place.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    That's what you are saying, though. Thanks for clearing it up.
    Um, no it wasn't. I already stated how I feel. If you choose to ignore it, there's nothing more I can do for you.

    Again, why do you insist that someone attempting to spread their faith or gin up interest in their house of worship must think you're stupid?
    I don't insist that. However, they must know that I am perfectly capable of researching the topic. It's not like I've been living under a rock and have never heard of Mormonism. I personally think that religious belief is a highly personal thing and I find it incredibly arrogant that someone is going to come to MY door to try and promote their belief as if my currently held beliefs aren't sufficient. I don't think that belief is something that should be sold door-to-door like a vacuum. I realize you don't characterize it this way and that's fine. However, I do.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Um...did I say that? No, I didn't. I'm just saying that Happy Holidays is an all-inclusive statement. It even goes beyond religious/cultural differences. It could mean Thanksgiving or New Years as well.
    Oh, I thought Happy Thanksgiving was Happy Thanksgiving, not a stand-in for Christmas. The same for Happy New Year's.

    The fact that people are actually arguing about how to properly wish someone well is just absurd to me.
    Unfair characterization of the issue.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Um, no it wasn't. I already stated how I feel. If you choose to ignore it, there's nothing more I can do for you.
    No, I thought that's what you were saying based on your comments. You said that you were not. I thanked you for clarifying that. Problem?

    I don't insist that.
    But you do as you insist in believing that the only reason they are there is because they think you're too stupid to do your own research.

    However, they must know that I am perfectly capable of researching the topic.
    Who knows what they think as they approach your home. The issue was you imputing to them some belief that you're too dumb to think for yourself.

    It's not like I've been living under a rock and have never heard of Mormonism. I personally think that religious belief is a highly personal thing and I find it incredibly arrogant that someone is going to come to MY door to try and promote their belief as if my currently held beliefs aren't sufficient. I don't think that belief is something that should be sold door-to-door like a vacuum. I realize you don't characterize it this way and that's fine. However, I do.
    Okay. Just don't impute to them beliefs they don't hold simply because you find their actions disagreeable.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Oh, I thought Happy Thanksgiving was Happy Thanksgiving, not a stand-in for Christmas. The same for Happy New Year's.
    I never said that it was a stand in. However, the statement Happy Holidays is plural. It references more than one holiday. I've always thought it to reference all of the late year holidays such as Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years. It also includes the holiday celebrations of other religions and cultures as well. It doesn't change the fact that it's still a nice sentiment to wish to someone. It's stupid that people would take issue with something that is meant as a nice sentiment. There are people on both sides of this issue who are acting like morons. Getting offended from a term like Happy Holidays is idiotic just as trying to ban Merry Christmas is.

    Unfair characterization of the issue.
    Are you going to elaborate or just make one-liners with nothing to back it up?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    No, I thought that's what you were saying based on your comments. You said that you were not. I thanked you for clarifying that. Problem?
    Not at all. I thought you were saying that my explanation wasn't good enough. Forgive me for misinterpreting that.

    But you do as you insist in believing that the only reason they are there is because they think you're too stupid to do your own research.
    That's interesting. You just said that you thought that I was saying that based on my comments but that I clarified that I wasn't. Yet here you are again implying that it is what I said. Could you make up your mind or are you going to continue to contradict yourself?

    Who knows what they think as they approach your home. The issue was you imputing to them some belief that you're too dumb to think for yourself.
    I really could care less what they think as they approach my home. I find it insulting and arrogant regardless.

    Okay. Just don't impute to them beliefs they don't hold simply because you find their actions disagreeable.
    I didn't. I'm only expressing how I interpret their going door-to-door. I'm sure they believe that they have the best of intentions. I really could care less about their intentions. I'm annoyed that I have to spend any time explaining to someone that I'm not interested in letting them in to give a sales pitch so I can decided whether or not to adopt their belief system. It is time that would be better spent by masturbating or going to the bathroom.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Getting offended from a term like Happy Holidays is idiotic just as trying to ban Merry Christmas is.
    It seems to me that the only ones being offended are those demanding the Merry Christmas be relegated to the ash heap of history.

    Those concerned about Merry Christmas being replaced by Happy Holidays are not offended, they're concerned about yet another attempt to eliminate Christianity from the public square.

    Are you going to elaborate or just make one-liners with nothing to back it up?
    I thought I was clear. I thought your comment, "The fact that people are actually arguing about how to properly wish someone well is just absurd to me" unfairly characterizes the problem Christians have with this. This ain't about a holiday greeting. And you're mischaracterizing it to deliberately duck the larger issue.

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