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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, here's how I see it. From what I've gathered in your posts you have a problem with people saying Happy Holidays. Happy Holidays is an all-inclusive statement. Merry Christmas isn't. Merry Christmas references a specific holiday of a specific religion. I don't think it's offensive to tell someone that. However, I fail to see what problem there is with saying something like "Happy Holidays" instead to be more inclusive just in case they aren't Christian. I see it as a courteous gesture more than anything.
    I see, so my comment that you were directly responding to didn't lead you to that conclusion. But your presumption about my problems did. Okay.

    You have failed to demonstrate how saying happy Holidays is more inclusive.

    On the other hand, I have demonstrated, using the prior polls as a proxy, that a clear majority of Americans find using Happy Holidays is going in the wrong direction. And I would go further to argue that Christians certainly don't feel included when Merry Christmas is replaced with a secular non-holiday expression. Otherwise, why be bothered with it?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    I see, so my comment that you were directly responding to didn't lead you to that conclusion. But your presumption about my problems did. Okay.

    You have failed to demonstrate how saying happy Holidays is more inclusive.
    The fact that it doesn't specify which holiday makes it more inclusive. A Jewish person could be told that and have it apply to them just as a Christian could.

    On the other hand, I have demonstrated, using the prior polls as a proxy, that a clear majority of Americans find using Happy Holidays is going in the wrong direction. And I would go further to argue that Christians certainly don't feel included when Merry Christmas is replaced with a secular non-holiday expression. Otherwise, why be bothered with it?
    I think history has shown that the majority isn't always necessarily right.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    And lets not forget that this attack on Christmas/Christianity is exclusive to changing Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays.

    Here we see Christmas being banned at UNC.

    This ain't a recent develoment, either.

    Recall the 2005 California State University - Sacramento ban against Christmas decorations because they represent "religious discrimination" and "ethnic insensitivity."

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    And lets not forget that this attack on Christmas/Christianity is exclusive to changing Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays.

    Here we see Christmas being banned at UNC.

    This ain't a recent develoment, either.

    Recall the 2005 California State University - Sacramento ban against Christmas decorations because they represent "religious discrimination" and "ethnic insensitivity."
    I think it's stupid to ban people from saying Merry Christmas for fear of religious discrimination just as it is stupid to get pissy about people saying Happy Holidays.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I don't think it's an issue of whether it includes them. I think that a lot of people are offended that Christianity doesn't have the limelight when that statement is made. I think they also fear that people are doing it for purely PC reasons.
    First, what you think motivates them is only your thoughts. You're unfairly maligning their motivations simply based on your perception or frustrations.

    Second, it is for PC reasons. That's why CSU - Sacramento banned Christmas decorations. Aparently, such decorations were ethnically insensitive.

    It isn't an attack on Christianity. If it were an attack on Christianity they would be trying to eradicate these things from existence, not just from public arenas.
    They're relegating religious celebration to behind doors by not permitting their display in the public square. Just look at various states where the Ten Commandments were removed.

    It is manufactured. It has become nothing more than an annual topic interest for Bill O'Reilly to prattle on about.
    Really? So CSU - Sacramention banning Christmas decorations in 2005 and UNC - Charlotte doing the same in 2008 is meaningless, huh?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I've heard some folks say there should be an aetheist holiday that they can celebrate however they like and leave CHRISTMAS alone.

    Their day could be April 1st.

    I agree with both ideas.
    I guess this is a sad attempt at humor?
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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    First, what you think motivates them is only your thoughts. You're unfairly maligning their motivations simply based on your perception or frustrations.

    Second, it is for PC reasons. That's why CSU - Sacramento banned Christmas decorations. Aparently, such decorations were ethnically insensitive.
    It is PC for some people I agree. However, in my case and in the case of many others it isn't. It's just a stupid saying that's more inclusive. Who gives a rat's ass? Personally, I don't even wish people Happy Holidays.

    They're relegating religious celebration to behind doors by not permitting their display in the public square. Just look at various states where the Ten Commandments were removed.
    The second that they allow other religions to have displays they are more than welcome to have displays. Christians shouldn't get a monopoly on this or anything else.

    Really? So CSU - Sacramention banning Christmas decorations in 2005 and UNC - Charlotte doing the same in 2008 is meaningless, huh?
    I think it's just a case of people trying to be whiny PC idiots. Just as I think people getting offended when people say Happy Holidays is a case of a bunch of arrogant whiny Christians getting offended for incredibly stupid reasons. The whole issue is stupid to me.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, obviously it isn't on the spot. That would be impossible. However, they want to come in and explain their religion to you as if you aren't capable of doing the research on your own if you were even interested in the first place.
    And the problem with that is...what exactly? Oh, you think they believe that they think people are stupid.

    That's it. That's all you have. Unfairly imputing a false motivation to those you are offended by.

    Why do they feel the need to do so, though? You don't see other non-Christian religions doing this. With all of the demonizing that people have done to Islam, you'd think they'd be doing it, but they don't. It's because Christians have a "good guy" badge and feel the need to save and convert everyone.
    I know that they don't do it because, as you assert, they simply believe the rest of us are stupid.

    It doesn't really offend me, but I do disagree with it and openly criticize it. I mostly just think it's absurd and arrogant.
    Absurd and arrogant only because you think they believe everyone else is stupid.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I guess this is a sad attempt at humor?
    No, it's completely genius because now he can say "APRIL FOOLS!" to you and you'll be like, "Wha?"

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    The fact that it doesn't specify which holiday makes it more inclusive. A Jewish person could be told that and have it apply to them just as a Christian could.
    Right, 'cuz there's no holiday to see here. Just a non-holday called Christmas that we won't call Christmas...

    I think history has shown that the majority isn't always necessarily right.
    And that bears on this how?

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