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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote:Originally Posted by JMak
    I don't see how wishing shoppers a "Merry Christmas" would exclude anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Except for the people who don't celebrate Christmas.
    So you believe that the clerk behind the counter who says "Merry Christmas" to someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas is excluding them? BUT, had they said “Happy Holidays” this somehow included them?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Oh, come on! It's more than 5 percent of people. What about Jewish people?
    What about them? Were they expressing offense when being wished a Merry Christmas?

    This is the thing, I could see your argument completely if one culture or religion said "Christianity! You've had the limelight far too long! It's our turn!! From now on, all Merry Christmas signs will read Happy Hannukah!" However, no one is doing that. They are just using a more inclusive slogan that includes everyone, even Christians.
    As we can obviously see...Christians don't feel included by Happy Holidays.

    Why is that such a big deal? Are Christians such big babies that they can't stand to share the holiday limelight with other cultures or religions?
    I see. Complaining about the disappearance of symbols of Christianity being eliminated from the public square has not legitimacy, eh? We're just big babies, huh?

    Thanks for exposing your bad faith in debate.

    Are you actually suggesting that the American melting pot is a myth?!
    Yeah.

    Oh sure, I'll grant that early European immigration to the US witnessed a melting of those groups into American society, becoming completely assimilated. But not the last several decades, oh no, not even close to a melting pot. I mean, how many examples do you want? Bilingual public education? Government documents printed in various languages? TV shows that are considered Latino, Black, etc.? Segregated public university organizations? Just look at any urban high school cafeteria - blacks sitting with blacks; latinos sitting with latinos; Koreans sitting with Koreans. And now with the Muslims demanding foot baths be installed in our public universities to accomodate their Muslim faith.

    This ain't melting into American society. This is balkanizing American society as Americans choose to self-segregate.

    Look, it's the multiculturalists that have a problem with the melting pot because they view it stripping minorities of their distinctive features. That's why multiculturalism has successfully invaded our universities and created little tiny cultural studies programs...it's an effort to retain those distinctive features, to fight to supposedly oppressive assmimilationists.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    I have been searching for decades for those evil Christians who are shoving crosses down people's throats; and with all that time, still can't find any.
    I have met plenty of Christians who feel like shoving their beliefs down the throats of others. However, most of these people sincerely believe that they are saving others by doing so, so I don't completely fault them. I find more fault with Christianity itself for espousing that kind of crap.

    Sometimes, I think overly sensitive agnostics and atheists think that some Mormons knocking on your door are somehow threatening you with Christianity and huddle behind their doors in abject fear.
    A religion shouldn't have to rely on door-to-door sales tactics to spread word of their religion. For this, I feel they are completely open to criticism. You don't see Buddhists or Jewish people trying to sell their religion.

    I have found that just by opening the door and kindly saying, no thank you, I am a long time Devil Worshipper; I have NO problems with them leaving with a polite goodbye.
    I've found that by telling Christians I'm a Satanist it causes more of a problem and they feel even more of a need to save me. So, I lie and tell them that I'm an agnostic or atheist. The last few times it happened, the women who came to my door seemed offended that I wasn't still willing to let them in to try and sell their religion to me. I've also encountered far more pushy people who put their foot in the door and turn it into a big confrontation.

    Well actually, I don't say that; but they have never tried to shove a cross down my throat when I politely say I am not interested. I think the hype about Christians forcing their views on society is rabid paranoia from those who think THIER views should be shoved down everyone else’s throats.
    Each religion has a fair share of nutcases. There are plenty of people who rabidly seek to enlist others just as there are those who don't feel the need to try and shove their beliefs onto others.

    Great examples of it are abundant; my own little town of Ventura is a great example. For decades, there was a cross on the hillside on public parkland. It had been donated to the city and placed in the park. (going strictly by memory here but the facts are the same)

    Then one day, an atheist saw the cross as an effrontery that was unacceptable; apparently in his paranoia, he thought that a gang of Christian monsters would one day come to town, discover his atheism and force that HUGE cross down his throat.

    He took the city to court and demanded that the cross be taken down and that it was a violation of his Constitutional right to not have to look at crosses and attempted to force an entire city to cede to his paranoia. The issue was finally resolved when the citizens of Ventura, almost ALL of them, formed a coalition to save the cross and donated money to buy the parcel of land the cross sat on which the city was more than happy to parcel off and sell. The cross now sits on private property and now can be legally left standing as a free speech thingy.
    Religious icons shouldn't be allowed in public places unless they are willing to give all religions the opportunity to display theirs as well. I'm willing to bet that a lot of Christians would be up in arms if there was a non-Christian display in a public area and no Christian display as well.
    This happened a few years ago, and to this date at least, no Christian monsters have come to the town and attempted to shove this cross down this paranoid atheist’s throat.

    Serra Cross Park

    Carry on.
    The sad thing is that all religions have people like this. There are plenty of arrogant atheists who feel the need to demean others for not seeing their way. This news story is absolute proof of that.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Quote:Originally Posted by JMak
    I don't see how wishing shoppers a "Merry Christmas" would exclude anyone.



    So you believe that the clerk behind the counter who says "Merry Christmas" to someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas is excluding them? BUT, had they said “Happy Holidays” this somehow included them?
    They aren't excluding them, but it doesn't apply to them as they don't celebrate Christmas. Why is it such a big deal to just say Happy Holidays? Again, I ask, are Christians such big babies that they can't stand to share the light with other beliefs?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

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    Quote:Originally Posted by JMak
    I don't see how wishing shoppers a "Merry Christmas" would exclude anyone.


    So you believe that the clerk behind the counter who says "Merry Christmas" to someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas is excluding them? BUT, had they said “Happy Holidays” this somehow included them?
    That's the stupidity of multiculturalist thinking.

    Christmas is the Christian holiday. Wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" who is not a Christian is explicitly including them in the Christian holiday.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    That's the stupidity of multiculturalist thinking.

    Christmas is the Christian holiday. Wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" who is not a Christian is explicitly including them in the Christian holiday.
    So screw all of the other cultures in the US, right? Christianity is the majority religion here and they should just deal with it!

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I have met plenty of Christians who feel like shoving their beliefs down the throats of others. However, most of these people sincerely believe that they are saving others by doing so, so I don't completely fault them. I find more fault with Christianity itself for espousing that kind of crap.
    For espousing missionary work? Huh?

    A religion shouldn't have to rely on door-to-door sales tactics to spread word of their religion. For this, I feel they are completely open to criticism. You don't see Buddhists or Jewish people trying to sell their religion.
    It's called missionary work no matter if it's door-to-door as we see in urban and suburban areas or in the form of doing good works in Haiti.

    I'm not sure why such missionary work should be equated to a door-to-door salesman. I've never seen such a pitch. Have you?

    I've found that by telling Christians I'm a Satanist it causes more of a problem and they feel even more of a need to save me. So, I lie and tell them that I'm an agnostic or atheist. The last few times it happened, the women who came to my door seemed offended that I wasn't still willing to let them in to try and sell their religion to me. I've also encountered far more pushy people who put their foot in the door and turn it into a big confrontation.
    Kinda like Obama directing his supporters to get in the face of people that disagree with them, huh?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    They aren't excluding them, but it doesn't apply to them as they don't celebrate Christmas. Why is it such a big deal to just say Happy Holidays? Again, I ask, are Christians such big babies that they can't stand to share the light with other beliefs?
    There's the bad faith, again.

    Why is it a big deal to include non-Christians in the Christmas celebration? I ask, are non-Christians such big babies that they can't stand someone with other beliefs?

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    So screw all of the other cultures in the US, right? Christianity is the majority religion here and they should just deal with it!
    Wow! How did you cull that from my comments? Now you're just revealing your dishonesty.

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    Re: Atheists take aim at Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    For espousing missionary work? Huh?
    No, for selling their religion. Obviously Mormons aren't the only ones who do that crap.

    It's called missionary work no matter if it's door-to-door as we see in urban and suburban areas or in the form of doing good works in Haiti.
    Again, I'm not limiting this to Mormons. Jehova's Witness people do it too.

    I'm not sure why such missionary work should be equated to a door-to-door salesman. I've never seen such a pitch. Have you?
    They are promoting their religion. They are essentially assuming that people are stupid and haven't heard of Mormonism and that they should adopt these views. I call that door-to-door sales.

    Kinda like Obama directing his supporters to get in the face of people that disagree with them, huh?
    Nice attempt to trip me up.

    First of all, I don't agree with that kind of political campaigning at all, regardless of who the candidate is. A guy from Obama headquarters in California called me and tried to get me to volunteer and I told him to go **** himself.

    Secondly, what does Obama have to do with the discussion? Please, try to stay on topic.

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