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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    She is a supposed "moderate Muslim" just like Ahmed, the only problem is they both support Hezbollah.
    That's something I recognized about her a long time ago. All the moderate muslims are hanging out somewhere with the tooth fairy and santa clause, I guess.

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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's something I recognized about her a long time ago. All the moderate muslims are hanging out somewhere with the tooth fairy and santa clause, I guess.
    At least the tooth fairy and santa clause don't get caught months after they profess their moderation praising the "glorious 19", lol. But seriously though there are some moderate Muslims out there though they are on the fringes of their respective societies; such as, Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Salmon Rushdie, Michael Muhammad Knight, or Dr. Tawfik Hamid, but what makes them moderate is not their unwillingness to blow themselves up for Jihad but that they are actually reformers willing to challenge the status quo and mainstream Islam which is in fact wahhabist/salafist/twelver Islam.

    And I just came across this historical reformer one wonders why this guy isn't as reveered in the Muslim world as much as fascist ****s like Qutb and al-Banna:

    Mahmoud Mohamed Taha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

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    How could we dismantle the government without occupying the country? We've had a policy of supporting regime change and resistance groups in Iran...but the government is still there.
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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    At least the tooth fairy and santa clause don't get caught months after they profess their moderation praising the "glorious 19", lol. But seriously though there are some moderate Muslims out there though they are on the fringes of their respective societies; such as, Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Salmon Rushdie, Michael Muhammad Knight, or Dr. Tawfik Hamid, but what makes them moderate is not their unwillingness to blow themselves up for Jihad but that they are actually reformers willing to challenge the status quo and mainstream Islam which is in fact wahhabist/salafist/twelver Islam.
    I don't even view half of those you listed as Muslim therefore they are nothing special. A Non Muslim insulting Islam in the comfort of the US or the Western world. What a achievement !

    The image of a Moderate Muslim to me is Choudhury.
    Pro-Israeli editor beaten in Bangladesh | International | Jerusalem Post

    Oh and take note he has not ran to the West for shelter, he stayed within a Muslim country and faced the torture.
    When Rushdie faces that is when i'll actually pay attention to what he says.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's something I recognized about her a long time ago. All the moderate muslims are hanging out somewhere with the tooth fairy and santa clause, I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    She is a supposed "moderate Muslim" just like Ahmed, the only problem is they both support Hezbollah.
    Great, now i apparentley support killing innocent people.
    Now you can back your accusation with a quote from me on that. Where have i stated i have supported Hezbollah and their actions?
    I'll wait seeing you have alot of posts to trail through
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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh and take note he has not ran to the West for shelter, he stayed within a Muslim country and faced the torture.
    When Rushdie faces that is when i'll actually pay attention to what he says.
    Translation: I can't wait to silence Rushdie like we do anyone who dares to criticize us. Bring on the riots.

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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    I was implying Rushdie is a little pussy, hiding in West and claiming he is something special when real moderate Muslims are being tortured in Muslim countries for their views. THOSE are the people i respect.

    Half of those you named are worthless to me.

    Oh and perhaps you Jailman and Jin can define for me a Moderate Muslim
    What makes a Muslim moderate? If they accept homosexuality? Someone who sees no fault in the West? Someone who is Pro Israel?

    Ofc not.
    A only 'true' Moderate Muslim to alot of people is someone who renounces Islam and claims it is evil.
    Why do you think that retarded E African Ayaan Hirsi Ali is doing so well in United States?

    Her aim is to insult Muslims and Islam. She doesn't give a **** about Human rights or Somali women. The only reason we even know her name is because she made that film and her director got killed

    "I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars."
    Of course you do dear, how much did she get paid to say that i wonder
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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't even view half of those you listed as Muslim therefore they are nothing special. A Non Muslim insulting Islam in the comfort of the US or the Western world. What a achievement !
    And why don't you consider them to be real Muslims? Perhaps because they don't subscribe to your Islamist orthodoxy and have the audacity to criticize Islam itself?

    The image of a Moderate Muslim to me is Choudhury.
    Pro-Israeli editor beaten in Bangladesh | International | Jerusalem Post

    Oh and take note he has not ran to the West for shelter, he stayed within a Muslim country and faced the torture.
    When Rushdie faces that is when i'll actually pay attention to what he says.
    He had a Fatwa placed on his ****ing head!



    Great, now i apparentley support killing innocent people.
    Now you can back your accusation with a quote from me on that. Where have i stated i have supported Hezbollah and their actions?
    I'll wait seeing you have alot of posts to trail through
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    I have no problem with Hezbollah being legalized. Its as legitimate as it can be, part of an army and Government.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...post1057791599

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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    He had a Fatwa placed on his ****ing head!
    Rushdie? He did? News to me
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    Re: Experts warn Barack Obama of 'hornet's nest' in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have no problem with Hezbollah being legalized. Its as legitimate as it can be, part of an army and Government.
    How ridiculous.
    This was in reference to a specific article about legitimizing it.
    You also ignore the context of it and my posts after it.
    How does that translate as me supporting their actions?
    I stated in the same thread that what they do is illegal. If that is the best you can come up with, you may as well leave this discussion because it is pathetic.
    My point is a legitimite one, Hezbollah got elected into parts of Government by democracy ... No one can dispute that fact

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    yeah ,, but legalizing shoud also be under terms and observation ..
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ofc, it needs to observed and open to criticism - as it any other Government.
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