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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I agree with your assessment regarding the current world leadership; however, I believe that Chavez WILL kill ANYBODY who gets in his way. The same way General Penochet did many years ago in his own country.

    I think seeking to eliminate term limits is a sign of a dictator in the making. I find this unacceptable and I think Chavez, who is allied with Iran, needs to be delt with before he causes any real trouble.
    But it is none of our business. He has done little that shows him to be much of a threat and so going after him in interventionist style is a great risk to domestic liberty and external security. It is not our job to police the world.
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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry but Hitler had his opposition killed. Chavez has done nothing of the sort. I see you resort to insults when people do not agree with you.
    How do you know Chavez hasn't had his opposition killed? Unless your his major domo, you don't know. It's silly for you to assume that you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your hatred for Chavez is clearly your primary motivation and not facts. There is no comparison with Hitler that can be made.
    I do not hate Chavez. That is your arrogant, unfounded, and untrue assumption. Chavez allied himself with Iran. Clearly, he is a threat.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, I am thankful noone with any power agrees with you. Carry on with your paranoia ranting.
    I am glad someone as blind an uneducated as you is not in a position to make decisions.

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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    But it is none of our business. He has done little that shows him to be much of a threat and so going after him in interventionist style is a great risk to domestic liberty and external security. It is not our job to police the world.
    He is allied with Iran. The fact that he allied himself and his country with a terrorist nation is sufficient cause for his removal from power.

    When terror spreads it is EVERYBODIES business. I am sorry some European nations haven't yet figured out what is going on. The UK knows what is going on; that is why they stood with the USA in Iraq and it's why we stood with them when they were attacked by the ****bags that attacked the USA on September 11, 2001.

    It surprises me that a man of your education could possibly be that blind. Terrorists accomplish what they do because people like yourself do not have the courage to stand up to them.

    I am very disappointed in you.

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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    He is allied with Iran. The fact that he allied himself and his country with a terrorist nation is sufficient cause for his removal from power.
    I don't consider Iran much of a threat either and he isn't in much of an alliance with it. It is just anti-American posturing.

    When terror spreads it is EVERYBODIES business. I am sorry some European nations haven't yet figured out what is going on. The UK knows what is going on; that is why they stood with the USA in Iraq and it's why we stood with them when they were attacked by the ****bags that attacked the USA on September 11, 2001.
    You mean that is why Tony Blair stood by Bush. That ruined his reputation here. It is not our business to police the world or sacrifice all liberty to bogus claims of terrorism.

    It surprises me that a man of your education could possibly be that blind. Terrorists accomplish what they do because people like yourself do not have the courage to stand up to them.

    I am very disappointed in you.
    What do they accomplish? Did you know that on the day 3,000 people died in the twin towers 30,000 children died of starvation? They haven't accomplished much at all except to serve as an excuse for some to threaten our liberties.

    I'm not about to surrender domestic liberty or get involved in threats to external security because of the bogus war on terror.
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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    When did i endorse Pinochet? Try reading my posts. My point was that replaceing Chavez with someone the Venuzuelans didnt want to be there leader would be like what Pinochet and Carlos Armas did. by saying that the leader that the Venuzuleans elected 8 times should be taken away you are by definition, depriveing them of their right to vote for they want. Thus enstalling someone they did not want to in power i.e a dictator. This is exactly how the dictators i mentioned came to power, and many others like them. These leaders killed tens of thousands of people because people like you thought it was acceptable overide the decisions of foriegn electorates over how to run their own countrys. Yet im being painted as some sort of monster for saying people should be able to choose whatever leader they wish
    You are trying to push your liberal nonsense and it isn't working.

    The world cannot allow Chavez to ballot box stuff his way into a dictatorship.

    The world doesn't need another dictator ... and the world really doesn't need a dictator who is allied with the terrorist government in Iran.

    I agree that people should choose their own leader; I never said anything to the contrary. I merely stated that Chavez is trying to become a dictator. The world cannot afford another dictator/terrorist supporter.

    The people down in that country elected Chavez. I don't deny this at all. The people of Germany elected Adlof Hitler Chancellor of Germany in 1933. Hitler then seized total control and enslaved Germany and most of Europe.

    Chavez is in a similar situation and is undoubtably seeking the same unchecked power.

    Just as Hitler was aligned with terrorists (The Grand Mufti) Chaves is aligned with terrorists (Iran/Syria).

    How can you sit there and be so incredibly blind?

    Have you learned nothing from history?

    Have you learned nothing from the Nazi occupation of Europe in 40s?

    Why is it that you cannot see the similarities between what Hitler did in 1933 and what Chavez is trying to do today?

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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't consider Iran much of a threat either and he isn't in much of an alliance with it. It is just anti-American posturing.
    Then you're blind. Iran is a terrorist jihad ****hole seeking nuclear arms. There is no greater threat than a collection of extremists with nuclear technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You mean that is why Tony Blair stood by Bush. That ruined his reputation here. It is not our business to police the world or sacrifice all liberty to bogus claims of terrorism.
    The only bogus thing here is your lack of vision and courage. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What do they accomplish? Did you know that on the day 3,000 people died in the twin towers 30,000 children died of starvation? They haven't accomplished much at all except to serve as an excuse for some to threaten our liberties.
    Yet more liberal rhetoric. Your example is inappropriate. Your country was attacked just as ours was and yet have the sheer unmitigated gaul to sit there and call it "bogus".

    You're a disgrace mate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I'm not about to surrender domestic liberty or get involved in threats to external security because of the bogus war on terror.
    Again, more nonsensical liberal prattle. If you lack the courage to fight, just say so.

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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Then you're blind. Iran is a terrorist jihad ****hole seeking nuclear arms. There is no greater threat than a collection of extremists with nuclear technology.
    Iran is an ancient, traditionalist albeit very authoritarian nation but poses little direct threat to Britain.



    The only bogus thing here is your lack of vision and courage. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Nice argument there. I know I have little vision, no men do that is why I distrust crusades like yours.



    Yet more liberal rhetoric. Your example is inappropriate.
    You are the liberal one wanting ideological, interventionist crusades.In some part I'm voicing the ancient conservative and Tory suspicion of foreign wars.

    Your country was attacked just as ours was and yet have the sheer unmitigated gaul to sit there and call it "bogus".

    You're a disgrace mate.
    It was attacked by a few home-grown extremists. I want to reduce immigration but I'm not going to surrender

    Again, more nonsensical liberal prattle. If you lack the courage to fight, just say so.
    Are you in the military?

    I lack the wish to risk my liberties on bogus neo-con/liberal crusades particularly against the likes of Chavez.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 12-16-08 at 10:40 PM.
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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You are trying to push your liberal nonsense and it isn't working.

    The world cannot allow Chavez to ballot box stuff his way into a dictatorship.

    The world doesn't need another dictator ... and the world really doesn't need a dictator who is allied with the terrorist government in Iran.

    I agree that people should choose their own leader; I never said anything to the contrary. I merely stated that Chavez is trying to become a dictator. The world cannot afford another dictator/terrorist supporter.

    The people down in that country elected Chavez. I don't deny this at all. The people of Germany elected Adlof Hitler Chancellor of Germany in 1933. Hitler then seized total control and enslaved Germany and most of Europe.

    Chavez is in a similar situation and is undoubtably seeking the same unchecked power.

    Just as Hitler was aligned with terrorists (The Grand Mufti) Chaves is aligned with terrorists (Iran/Syria).

    How can you sit there and be so incredibly blind?

    Have you learned nothing from history?

    Have you learned nothing from the Nazi occupation of Europe in 40s?

    Why is it that you cannot see the similarities between what Hitler did in 1933 and what Chavez is trying to do today?
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    I know dictators are bad. *That is my point*. By replacing someone a country *did vote for*, with someone they did not vote for. You are implementing a dictorship.

    You have said that Chavez should be removed [by force if i got your gist]. By definition, you are saying the person the venuzuleans want to be president should not be president. This enivitably means you are saying that someone they do not want to be president, should be president. By definition you are argueing in favor of totalitarianism.

    As regards the vote stuffing. Ild like to see some evidence of this. None of the many international observers sent in to monitor the elections have seen any evidence of this. On the contrary the elections have been described in glowing terms.

    Also whom do you expect Chavez to align himself with?
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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    How do you know Chavez hasn't had his opposition killed?
    Do you have any proof otherwise? Didn't think so. That's like me telling you to prove you are not killing your neighbors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I do not hate Chavez. That is your arrogant, unfounded, and untrue assumption. Chavez allied himself with Iran. Clearly, he is a threat.
    There are lots of countries allied with Iran, I do not see you calling for all their leaders to be disposed of. Oh and BTW, Iran is not a threat.

    Your hatred for Chavez is quite clear and is shown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I am glad someone as blind an uneducated as you is not in a position to make decisions.
    Well considering noone is power is wanting to intervene against Chavez, I would say most everyone agrees with my assessment that he shouldn't be disposed of or taken out of power forcefully.

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    Re: Chavez seeks indefinite re-election, again

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Do you have any proof otherwise? Didn't think so. That's like me telling you to prove you are not killing your neighbors.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There are lots of countries allied with Iran, I do not see you calling for all their leaders to be disposed of. Oh and BTW, Iran is not a threat.
    Just because blind liberal cowards are unable to see Iran for the threat it is doesn't mean it's not a threat.

    People like you are what lead to 9/11 and the attack in London.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your hatred for Chavez is quite clear and is shown.
    Your lack of ability to determine what is and is not a threat is clear and shown.

    I servered in the military. I saw many interesting things that civilians like yourself never get to see. I know what a threat is and I have the courage to deal with it.

    You clearly have no idea what a threat is and apparently you lack the courage to do what is necessary to preserve the free world.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well considering noone is power is wanting to intervene against Chavez, I would say most everyone agrees with my assessment that he shouldn't be disposed of or taken out of power forcefully.
    Considering only a few liberals have said anything that supports your side ... I would say ... again ... you have no clue what you're talking about.

    Clearly, you are in favor of allowing a dictatorship be born.

    That is sad ...

    I just wanted make life difficult of a would-be dictator/terrorist ally.

    Embargoing both Venezuela and Iran would be fine with me. Chavez is a wanna-be dictator. You're clearly not able to see it... because you choose not to see it. This is a side effect of excess liberalism.

    While I am a centerist and I lean right in terms of national defense I should not be accused of being the boogey man.

    I am merely stating a threat as I see it ... per my military training. Nothing more.

    The key factor here is that I have had training ... you have not.

    I know a threat when I see it. You know what you retarded liberal media buddies broadcast.

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