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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Im ready for certain hadiths to be removed entirely or for verses that imply christians and jews are legitimate targets to be re interpretated and/or denounced but not every Muslim is :P
    I'm glad to see you acknowledge the fact that non-Muslims/kaffirs/infidels are actually targets.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    I'm glad to see you acknowledge the fact that non-Muslims/kaffirs/infidels are actually targets.
    Im ready for certain hadiths to be removed entirely or for verses that imply christians and jews are legitimate targets to be re interpretated and/or denounced but not every Muslim is


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    That's the problem with Islam...it's religion AND politics mixed into one, according to people who got fed up and left Islam.
    Yes .... because ex Muslims opinions hold so much weight inside Islam


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes .... because ex Muslims opinions hold so much weight inside Islam
    Must have been something about it they didn't agree with, but I guess people like Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan don't know what they're talking about...

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Must have been something about it they didn't agree with, but I guess people like Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan don't know what they're talking about...
    *cough*
    Who?

    Must not be very important if i don't know them
    I prefer Islamic speakers speaking about Islam tyvm.


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I know but i never use another religion as an arguement. I know there are questionable verses in the Bible but i would never dare to presume that the majority of Christians follow it
    Every religion goes through its political times... it used to be Christianity, now Islam is the villain. It would be nice if the media balanced out the portrayals of extremism with footage of the good side of Islam. Back home I used to go to a community dinner that would take place on Saturdays... one of the mosques would give out free food to anyone who showed up. The people there were really nice, and my heart aches when I see people attacking and stereotyping Islam.

    But you know, prior to 9-11 the average American didn't know a single thing about Islam, and after those events the media began to "educate" the public on its "evils". America's knowledge of Islam is still in its infancy and so ignorance is rampant. I respect your need to combat it, but you will largely be dealing with people who have already decided to not listen. Just know that there are also rational ones out there who know that the problem itself is not Islam.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Indian Commandos Storm Jewish Center

    Earlier in the day, an Army general, N. Thamburaj, was quoted as saying he expected all anti-terrorist operations in Mumbai to be wrapped up by midafternoon.
    In a televised speech Thursday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed forces "based outside this country" in a thinly veiled accusation that Pakistan was involved. A day later, India's foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee was quoted by the Press Trust of India as saying that, according to preliminary reports, "some elements in Pakistan are responsible."
    Hmm, an India-Pakistan conflict can't end well for anyone. Though I think few can deny Pakistan is a haven for extremists of all kinds.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Every religion goes through its political times... it used to be Christianity, now Islam is the villain. It would be nice if the media balanced out the portrayals of extremism with footage of the good side of Islam. Back home I used to go to a community dinner that would take place on Saturdays... one of the mosques would give out free food to anyone who showed up. The people there were really nice, and my heart aches when I see people attacking and stereotyping Islam.

    I respect your need to combat it, but you will largely be dealing with people who have already decided to not listen. Just know that there are also rational ones out there who know that the problem itself is not Islam.

    Thank you Orius
    My Mosque still does that and especially on Eid. We just how attempt to improve relations with other religions in my community. Its sad watching people generalize over the actions of a few; after all. I wouldn't use a few cases to demonize entire religions and their followers.

    Prior to 9/11, I had little inkling of UK/US involvement in ME and was not as politically aware and suddenley after 9/11. Being a Muslim was now an 'issue' or problem when before not alot of people knew about Islam as you said and if they knew about it, they wouldn't have a problem with it. Saying you are Muslim is now dirty in some cases.


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You linking absolutely everything to Islam is ****ing annoying.
    This has everything to do with the expansion of dar al-Islam through the offensive global jihad.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's not what she's saying. She is commenting on the habits of certain posters, here, to vilify Islam, no matter what. Islamic EXTREMISTSdid these acts in India. This is a reflection on Islamic EXTREMISTS not on Islam, and attempts to show otherwise are just overgeneralizations and stereotypes. But these posters have already had this pointed out to them many times. They don't care, and keep doing it, no matter how wrong the continue to be.

    Something tells me that the rest of the Ummah won't even summon up the outrage to engage in mass protests across the globe which they managed to summon over cartoons, rather expect to see celebrations across dar al-Islam for a successful strike against dar al-Harab as we saw after 9-11.

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