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At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

Re: 40 Held Hostage in Mumbai Terror Attack

With respect to the idea that a Kashmiri Islamist group e.g., Lashkar-e-Taiba, might have been involved, in perpetrating the Mumbai terrorist attacks, MSNBC reported:

The only gunman captured after a 60-hour terrorist siege of Mumbai said he belonged to a Pakistani militant group with links to the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir, a senior police officer said Sunday...

The announcement blaming militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, threatened to escalate tensions between India and Pakistan. However, Indian officials have been cautious about accusing Pakistan's government of complicity.
 
Laila said:
No one is certain who is behind these attacks. Keep that in mind.
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It was a Mujahadeen group they've already taken responsibility, it was Islamists.


So .... American troops who in history entered Saudi Arabia,
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Upon invitation of the sovereign government.

or the previous war in Iraq
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In response to Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait.

or this war on Iraq
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In response to more than a decade of Saddam violating the cease fire agreement.

/Afghanistan,
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In response to 9-11.

the continuation of funding Israelis to kill and starve Palestinians,
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The Palestinians need to start growing crops instead of generations of human bombs.

congratulating and funding dirty dictators and then condeming others in the same breath, Iran/Iraq war, friends with Saudi Royals and ensuring they stay within power ....
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We didn't create the Saudi Royals or the Iranian regime or Iraqi baathist regime we did and do bussiness with them, they were put in power by their fellow Muslims not by the U.S. or the west, take some responsibilty, it's not the wests fault that only about 2 Muslim majority countries are liberal democracies.

You are right, Islam is the sole reason for anyone to want to hate US :roll: :doh
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Bull****.
This attack has a basis of Politics
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Yes Islamist politics expansion of dar al-Islam through offensive Jihad.

and seeing the attackers are not confirmed, i wouldn't assume anything.

3 Possible groups.
Indian grown militants.
Pakistani militants
Al Qaeda
:roll:
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They were Mujahadeen IE Islamists what name they're calling themselves this week is irrelevant they are members of the global Jihad.
 
Laila said:
YOU are still angry about 9/11? Please.

Your country got its justice when it attacked two Muslim countries killing way more than died in 9/11.
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Those are only two battles in the fight against the Global Jihad.
 
cherokee said:
How much deeper would that be? huh? Every ****ing day extremist are killing somebody in the world and the peaceful cowards do nothing.
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Not everyone has the fighting drive and military training like you do. The vast majority simply want to survive, have families, have a living, etc. They don't want to get involved in the crazy politics of the radicals and wars with the West. How hard is that to comprehend? The military exists to defend the people who are not willing or not able to fight, so that people who are brave can do the fighting.

But what happens when the entity you need to fight is your own government and a source of your livelihood? What happens if that government has full support of the military? That makes people even more reluctant to fight, especially when that government has totalitarian control.

Only getting your information from the popular media is not going to educate you on the history, politics, or culture of the region of conflict. You are just going to be given a very surface-level, modern/recent interpretation of what is happening. This is why the scholars are the best source of information, because despite shifts in partisan opinions, they tend to remain consistent.
 
dclxvinoise said:
What exactly are they supposed to do?
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You stand against them, when they yell, you yell louder.
Make as much noise as you can until people see and hear you.
 
Orius said:
Not everyone has the fighting drive and military training like you do. The vast majority simply want to survive, have families, have a living, etc. They don't want to get involved in the crazy politics of the radicals and wars with the West. How hard is that to comprehend? The military exists to defend the people who are not willing or not able to fight, so that people who are brave can do the fighting.

But what happens when the entity you need to fight is your own government and a source of your livelihood? What happens if that government has full support of the military? That makes people even more reluctant to fight, especially when that government has totalitarian control.

Only getting your information from the popular media is not going to educate you on the history, politics, or culture of the region of conflict. You are just going to be given a very surface-level, modern/recent interpretation of what is happening. This is why the scholars are the best source of information, because despite shifts in partisan opinions, they tend to remain consistent.
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Ok how about we set aside a person living inside a place like Iran to protest.
Very good chance he will be arrested or killed but that says NOTHING for the millions living outside that area. Those are the Muslims which have nothing to fear.
How many Muslims protested against the retard for the cartoons?
Did you know 200 people died chit?
Isn't it every Muslims duty to wage Jihad in its different forms?
Would one of those not be to prevent the corruption on Islam for the sake of greed?

I don't just get my news for one site. I read sites from all over the web including terrorist sites just to see what the inbreed sob's have to say.
 
Laila said:
Oookayy .... :/

I have never denied Muslims have a duty to police their own religion and help eradicate extremists, i merely ask how people expect us to succeed in this task.
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First you recognize they exists like you have just done...
Many Muslims sites wont even do that.

A good start would be to make more noise then they do.
 
Tashah said:
There is no silver-bullet (no pun intended) military method to eradicate radicalism and terrorism. This must come from within. I have always wondered why the huge "moderate" component of Islam is so selective with the power of numbers. Where are the mass Muslim demonstrations demanding an end to Islamic radicalism?

The disrespectful cartoons about Mohammad ocassioned mass demonstrations by Muslims all across the globe. It's a mystery to me why this same Muslim mass repugnance is absent when Islamists murder over one hundred innocent people right before our very eyes. Why do these two glaring examples of disrespecting Islam result in such vastly different responses from the moderate Muslim world? I haven't a clue.
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The reason you haven't a clue, in regards to the response to the cartoon vs terrorism, is because you, and many other more conservatives, choose to view this as having primarily a religious causation. The racist and disrespectful cartoon singled out Muslims and Arabs by race and religion, two broad terms which made it easy to unite on a global level.

Terrorism is based more on local conflict and political agenda. This is most clear when they fight each other, disregarding peaceful passages within the Quran. The same way many US leaders and citizens call themselves Christians yet ignore Jesus' message of peace and forgiveness. If you insist on putting religion to the fore and settling for the easy explanation, you will continue to be confused when Muslims rise up against direct attacks on their religion and stereotypes while ignoring politically motivated terror.
 
cherokee said:
You stand against them, when they yell, you yell louder.
Make as much noise as you can until people see and hear you.
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Personally, I don't see why they should have to. The differences between the extremists and the peaceful Muslims should be glaringly obvious. The problem is that people don't want to do the research to find out for themselves. For instance, I'm a fairly anti-Christian person. However, I'm able to see the clear differences between extremist idiots like the Westboro Baptist lunatics and an average Christian. The differences are blatant and obvious, just as the differences are for extremist Muslims and peaceful Muslims.

Besides, peaceful Muslims have stood against the extremists and expressed their disgust. Unfortunately, a majority of people turn a deaf ear to this, not to mention our own media. Obviously their standing against the extremists isn't doing enough to get the message out. So what else are they supposed to do?
 
dclxvinoise said:
Personally, I don't see why they should have to. The differences between the extremists and the peaceful Muslims should be glaringly obvious. The problem is that people don't want to do the research to find out for themselves. For instance, I'm a fairly anti-Christian person. However, I'm able to see the clear differences between extremist idiots like the Westboro Baptist lunatics and an average Christian. The differences are blatant and obvious, just as the differences are for extremist Muslims and peaceful Muslims.

Besides, peaceful Muslims have stood against the extremists and expressed their disgust. Unfortunately, a majority of people turn a deaf ear to this, not to mention our own media. Obviously their standing against the extremists isn't doing enough to get the message out. So what else are they supposed to do?
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Well duh, the peaceful Muslims are supposed to arm themselves and go to war with the extremists, forcing them to change their ways or be killed....oh, wait....
 
do muslims have no understanding of the term REVOLUTION?
plenty of peoples have done it
and guess what, it will cost blood and treasure
but as long as you sit on your hands, you are equally to blame, for what is done in your name
 
DeeJayH said:
but as long as you sit on your hands, you are equally to blame, for what is done in your name
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So why are they not justified in killing us now? Look at the death tolls from the Iraq war and especially the US bombings.

Oh wait I forgot, "they started it". Man, that line works for everything!
 
Laila said:
Oookayy .... :/

I have never denied Muslims have a duty to police their own religion and help eradicate extremists, i merely ask how people expect us to succeed in this task.
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And you answered it yourself---Jesus Christ. Hang with Jesus instead of Mohammed and you'll be OK!;)
 
Orius said:
But what happens when the entity you need to fight is your own government and a source of your livelihood? What happens if that government has full support of the military? That makes people even more reluctant to fight, especially when that government has totalitarian control.
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I think we're going to find out soon enough. As long as we stay armed, that is.
 
shiznit770 said:
The reason you haven't a clue, in regards to the response to the cartoon vs terrorism, is because you, and many other more conservatives, choose to view this as having primarily a religious causation. The racist and disrespectful cartoon singled out Muslims and Arabs by race and religion, two broad terms which made it easy to unite on a global level.
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Did you know that those "racist and disrespectful" cartoons were shown in an EGYPTIAN newspaper about 3 months before the Danish showed them, and no one got upset? Why was that? Sounds like the Muslims crying for blood are the racist ones.
 
shiznit770 said:
So why are they not justified in killing us now? Look at the death tolls from the Iraq war and especially the US bombings.

Oh wait I forgot, "they started it". Man, that line works for everything!
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Wow just when I thought defense of terrorists could not sink to any new lows....


"Justified"?

Is that the word you really want to use to describe thier actions? :roll:
 
Invayne said:
Did you know that those "racist and disrespectful" cartoons were shown in an EGYPTIAN newspaper about 3 months before the Danish showed them.
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Can you source this? Thanks
 
Invayne said:
Did you know that those "racist and disrespectful" cartoons were shown in an EGYPTIAN newspaper about 3 months before the Danish showed them, and no one got upset? Why was that? Sounds like the Muslims crying for blood are the racist ones.
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Timeline of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy

I couldn't find any source to back up your claim. The sites I found supporting your claim were clearly biased and placed the cartoon in Egypt's newspapers in October 2005, which would actually be two weeks after the danish newspaper's publication. Those biased sources also fail to address the context in which the cartoons were put in the Egyptian newspaper. They were condemning the images.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Wow just when I thought defense of terrorists could not sink to any new lows....


"Justified"?

Is that the word you really want to use to describe thier actions? :roll:
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Thanks for pointing out just how one sided "justice" can be.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Thanks for pointing out what some people are willing to overlook to bash the US and the troops! :2wave:
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Since when is the US above criticism? Not everyone is a blind nationalist. I didn't realize that one's loyalties to the US had to include being blindly devoted to it's policies and not criticizing it for anything. :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Thanks for pointing out what some people are willing to overlook to bash the US and the troops! :2wave:
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I am bashing the policy makers who disregard the facts and choose to turn the enemy and those all around them into something unworthy of sympathy.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Since when is the US above criticism? Not everyone is a blind nationalist. I didn't realize that one's loyalties to the US had to include being blindly devoted to it's policies and not criticizing it for anything. :roll:
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It is not above critisizm. To say however the terrorists are justified is IMO innacurate and fundamentally ignorant of reality.
 
shiznit770 said:
I am bashing the policy makers who disregard the facts and choose to turn the enemy and those all around them into something unworthy of sympathy.
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Not those who carried out said policy?


Then how are your terrorist buddies "justified" in killing those who killed their cohorts?


They aint killing the policy makers.
 
shiznit770 said:
The reason you haven't a clue, in regards to the response to the cartoon vs terrorism, is because you, and many other more conservatives, choose to view this as having primarily a religious causation. The racist and disrespectful cartoon singled out Muslims and Arabs by race and religion, two broad terms which made it easy to unite on a global level.
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First off, I am only mildly conservative in regards to fiscal responsibility so don't even try to label me as a blanket conservative. Secondly, in Islam everything is considered to be under the purview of Allah. Thus there is no excuse to protest en-mass one form of Islamic disrespect (offensive Mohammad cartoons) and not protest en-mass a much more grievous form of Islamic disrespect (murdering hundreds of innocents in the name of Islam). Sorry, but Islam can't (either ideologically or ethically) have it both ways without being obviously and terribly inconsistent.

shiznit770 said:
Terrorism is based more on local conflict and political agenda. This is most clear when they fight each other, disregarding peaceful passages within the Quran. The same way many US leaders and citizens call themselves Christians yet ignore Jesus' message of peace and forgiveness. If you insist on putting religion to the fore and settling for the easy explanation, you will continue to be confused when Muslims rise up against direct attacks on their religion and stereotypes while ignoring politically motivated terror.
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You miss the overarching point. Any willful attacks on innocents by Muslims - and accomplished in the name of Islam - should be loudly and publicy castigated en-mass by the Muslim community regardless of whether the catalyst is either politically or religiously inspired.
 
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