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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Don't be so quick to avoid that one...

    Don't just read the bible, look throughout history. People have claimed "God" for their reasoning in a LOT of heinous crimes.
    I know but you have to understand that even if God wasn't used as an excuse, another thing would be used as justification.
    That is just how humans are.


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Thank you, this kind of information is what I was digging for.
    Well why didn't you say so? lol

    I have a very moderate outlook on Islam but alot of Muslims are still not where i am. Im ready for certain hadiths to be removed entirely or for verses that imply christians and jews are legitimate targets to be re interpretated and/or denounced but not every Muslim is :P


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Most is a large number to live up to don't ya think?
    Nah, I've been here 3+ years. I know how this forum swings.

    But it goes beyond the extremist actions in just THIS thread. I understand laila's frustration at the OP for posting every Islamic related story he can dig up... but it needs to be squashed effectively so as to not convert more people to the "douchebaggery" that is blind ignorance.

    In another thread he posted a couple quotes from the Qu'ran that could possibly be misleading. Things like THAT amplify the story being presented here. And people who are/were on the fence tend to be swayed by that kind of stuff. Not by one person saying "You're wrong" but possibly by one person saying "This is why they do not qualify as Muslim" etc.
    Again, you're not saying anything that I disagree with, I do not say, "you are wrong" and leave it at that. I will always give a reason, either with evidence or showing illogic/misrepresentation. I did the latter, here.

    I remember about 2 years ago, a poster came here and started quoting the Talmud, showing how Judaism was hateful towards non-Jews. I showed, with evidence how each of his quotes was erroneous, either through substance, or through an exposure of their misrepresentation. Both were effective methods, and the poster was shown to have little credibility on the topic.

    Substance and reasoning both can effectively debunk a position.
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Don't be so quick to avoid that one...

    Don't just read the bible, look throughout history. People have claimed "God" for their reasoning in a LOT of heinous crimes.
    I disagree and this goes back to logical reasoning. Look at what you wrote. People have CLAIMED GOD for their reasoning. This shows that it is all about interpretation, not about the religion itself.

    See? I logically debunked your position. Didn't need further substantiation.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I disagree and this goes back to logical reasoning. Look at what you wrote. People have CLAIMED GOD for their reasoning. This shows that it is all about interpretation, not about the religion itself.

    See? I logically debunked your position. Didn't need further substantiation.
    I'm not saying blame christianity. I'm saying propose a comparison between the two in order to show these "knuckleheads" (decided to go with a lighter term for morons) that just about everyone does it at some point or another (generalization) in order to fulfill their own wishes.



    such as the crusades.....

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I'm not saying blame christianity. I'm saying propose a comparison between the two in order to show these "knuckleheads" (decided to go with a lighter term for morons) that just about everyone does it at some point or another (generalization) in order to fulfill their own wishes.



    such as the crusades.....
    Doesn't work. You get the comparison-thread-derail argument. Showing the illogic of their position in an isolative way, is most effective. But tell you what, here's your task. Try this method and get back to me with how it goes. I will gladly admit you are correct if it works.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

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    Doesn't work. You get the comparison-thread-derail argument. Showing the illogic of their position in an isolative way, is most effective. But tell you what, here's your task. Try this method and get back to me with how it goes. I will gladly admit you are correct if it works.
    Aye! Aye! Cap'. If I find a post that warrants that kind of attention from me personally I will do so and PM you the link.

    Untill then, I will push these discussions along so I've got something to do during the grave shift.

    To be honest, I could care less who wins this debate as long as it is actively moving while I am on here... seeing as I live in the Seattle area there are rarely any any political friendly persons outside of your Perry Logan's and your Truth Detector's. I don't get much constructive live debate.


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Aye! Aye! Cap'. If I find a post that warrants that kind of attention from me personally I will do so and PM you the link.
    Do so. I'll watch how things go.

    Untill then, I will push these discussions along so I've got something to do during the grave shift.

    To be honest, I could care less who wins this debate as long as it is actively moving while I am on here... seeing as I live in the Seattle area there are rarely any any political friendly persons outside of your Perry Logan's and your Truth Detector's. I don't get much constructive live debate.

    I'm on the East Coast, but with my hours and my insomnia, I'm on the graveyard shift, too. Every once in a while, you get live debate, but not usually.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    From a Reuters report, it appears increasingly likely that the terrorist organization responsible for the attacks is tied to Kashmir. Reuters reported today:

    A militant holed up at the center phoned an Indian television channel to offer talks with the government for the release of hostages, but also to complain about abuses in Kashmir, over which India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars.

    "Ask the government to talk to us and we will release the hostages," the man, identified by the India TV channel as Imran, said, speaking in Urdu in what sounded like a Kashmiri accent.

    "Are you aware how many people have been killed in Kashmir? Are you aware how your army has killed Muslims. Are you aware how many of them have been killed in Kashmir this week?"

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Aside from the possibilities that "Deccan Mujahideen" could be a new terrorist entity or that it could be a spin-off or front entity for an existing terrorist group, is that it could be a subsidiary/umbrella organization for one or more terrorist groups.

    One such model would be the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC), which is an umbrella group of such terrorist organizations as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. A subsidiary or umbrella entity would allow terrorist organizations to use new methods of attack and, at least in the short-term, make it more difficult for law enforcement, national security, and intelligence authorities to implicate existing terrorist organizations. Such an arrangement allows terrorist entities to pool manpower and resources.

    Ultimately, India's questioning of the captured terrorists and forensic evidence will prove crucial in identifying the terrorist organization or organizations responsible. For now, as noted in an earlier Reuters news story, it appears that a Kashmiri link exists.

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