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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I never said I believe US troops deserve to die, try be a little more honest in your responses. I said the Iraqi combatants who fight US troops are not terrorists. I reserve the term for those who target civilians with no military objective.
    They are at the very least war criminals as they don't correspond to most laws and customs of war for example they don't wear uniforms or carry arms openly putting innocent civilians in harms way because the insurgents are indistinguishable from the civilian populace, they are not freedom fighters or "resistance fighters" either because they don't fight for freedom and the only thing they're resisting is the will of the Iraqi people, if they were fighting for freedom they would be fighting for the Iraqi Security forces or their military as Iraq is now today a functioning Constitutional Republic, of, by, and for the Iraqi people.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    They are at the very least war criminals as they don't correspond to most laws and customs of war for example they don't wear uniforms or carry arms openly putting innocent civilians in harms way because the insurgents are indistinguishable from the civilian populace, they are not freedom fighters or "resistance fighters" either because they don't fight for freedom and the only thing they're resisting is the will of the Iraqi people, if they were fighting for freedom they would be fighting for the Iraqi Security forces or their military as Iraq is now today a functioning Constitutional Republic, of, by, and for the Iraqi people.
    While I would agree that it is difficult to label them because of their unethical tactics, I maintain that you are mistaken in their goal. They take issue with one thing, the presence of the occupying coalition force. Not just US troops, but those from other countries as well as over 100,000 private contractors who, do not fall under military or Iraqi jurisdiction. As long as the occupying forces play a large role in security they will see the Iraqi democracy as nothing more than a pro-US puppet.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

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    No, Reverend, this is accurate. The mainstream media is focused on sensationalism...sensationalism attracts viewers and sells advertisements. Laila is correct in what sells.



    Yes, the media sensationalizes, yet we live in a digital age where they are less important.

    We know of every little gay support day in newark here, just as we know every little muslim attack, and every condemnation.

    the latter is lacking. i thank each and every one I see i think I thanked two posts so far.
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yes, the media sensationalizes, yet we live in a digital age where they are less important.

    We know of every little gay support day in newark here, just as we know every little muslim attack, and every condemnation.

    the latter is lacking. i thank each and every one I see i think I thanked two posts so far.
    2004
    Scholars Try to Rein in the 'Sheikhs of Death'
    2005
    200,000 march to condemn deadly blasts
    2006
    Islamic Center event aims to boost understanding of faith
    *Despite many statements by CAIR and other American Muslim groups condemning terrorism, 63% of Americans in the CAIR poll said they did not see, hear or read about any Muslim leaders condemning terrorism.*
    2007
    Islam condemns terrorism
    2008
    20,000 scholars term terrorism un-Islamic: Declaration issued at Darul-Uloom Deoband

    I purposely found condemnations from large Muslim countries, with the exception of the 2006 article, since I know many people would disregard Western Muslim condemnation as insignificant.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    2004
    Scholars Try to Rein in the 'Sheikhs of Death'
    2005
    200,000 march to condemn deadly blasts
    2006
    Islamic Center event aims to boost understanding of faith

    2007
    Islam condemns terrorism
    2008
    20,000 scholars term terrorism un-Islamic: Declaration issued at Darul-Uloom Deoband

    I purposely found condemnations from large Muslim countries, with the exception of the 2006 article, since I know many people would disregard Western Muslim condemnation as insignificant.



    I was well aware of these few very few condemnations. CAIR however is a terrorist front group.
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I was well aware of these few very few condemnations. CAIR however is a terrorist front group.
    Scrutiny Increases for a Group Advocating for Muslims in U.S.

    According to a minority group who are publicly anti-Muslim, of course I would expect nothing less than you to portray it as a well known fact.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    While I would agree that it is difficult to label them because of their unethical tactics,
    It's not difficult, it's not a "label," and it has nothing to do with whether the tactics are "ethical."

    The Third Geneva Convention is very clear what "combatants" are eligible for POW status. jin1776 was explicitly referring to the standards Geneva requires for combatants to be entitled to such status when he referred to uniforms, carrying arms openly, etc. (these also include being attached to a regular military force or a militia formally attached to a regular military force). Combatanats that satisfy the POW standards are considered lawful combatants and are eligible to enjoy the privileges and protections provided by Geneva.

    Now, in 1977 there was an international movement to bring terrorists into the Geneva fold. That was called Protocol 1 and the United States refused to sign it. As well, there is an opt-in provision for states and sub-national groups who are not formal signers of Geneva. However, to opt-in they must adhere to the Conventions prescriptions for waging war.

    This is not difficult stuff and it has nothing to do with judging the behavior of some as ethical or otherwise.

    They take issue with one thing, the presence of the occupying coalition force. Not just US troops, but those from other countries as well as over 100,000 private contractors who, do not fall under military or Iraqi jurisdiction. As long as the occupying forces play a large role in security they will see the Iraqi democracy as nothing more than a pro-US puppet.
    Who cares? These insurgents are not only fighting US and coalition forces and contractors attached to the US military, but Iraqi civilians. Whether bombing polce/security service employment lines, beheading Iraqi civilians that assist US troops, murder Iraqi contractors assisting coalition public works projects, they are killing civilians. They are terrorists even if their goal is an insurgency designed to undermine the legitimacy of the national government.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Scrutiny Increases for a Group Advocating for Muslims in U.S.

    According to a minority group who are publicly anti-Muslim, of course I would expect nothing less than you to portray it as a well known fact.

    Dirka dirka, mohammad, jihad... yeah I get it..


    Dispute these facts.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Dirka dirka, mohammad, jihad... yeah I get it..


    Dispute these facts.

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    Wake up Reverend, they were not convicted for violence charges or paying for bombs. They were charged for selling products from their computer company. The "terrorist money" in half those organizations went to pay for schools and the needy. Categorizing any money that goes to Syria or Libya as "terrorist funds" may work for you, but I'd prefer to distinguish between terrorists and charity cases.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Wake up Reverend, they were not convicted for violence charges or paying for bombs. They were charged for selling products from their computer company. The "terrorist money" in half those organizations went to pay for schools and the needy. Categorizing any money that goes to Syria or Libya as "terrorist funds" may work for you, but I'd prefer to distinguish between terrorists and charity cases.



    Then actually distinguish, don't just claim it.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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