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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yeah right, make more noise?

    Mainstream media hates Moderate Muslims.
    We condemn almost all forms of attacks but do FOX, CNN, BBC, SKY show it? Hell no.

    Face it. Crazy Muslims shouting about killing Americans or Jews are better for their rating than Muslims preaching peace.
    And I hate the mainstream media for the same reasons. I don't even watch the news anymore.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    And I hate the mainstream media for the same reasons. I don't even watch the news anymore.
    I still watch the news, i need to keep up to date somehow.
    I just use a wide range of sources


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    You wouldn't know how to assess a publication as reliable let alone dismiss the BJ as unreliable without any explanation.

    I was merely commenting that the cartoons by themselves didn't stir much controversy until after some clerics created even more offensive cartoons and then shopped them around the Middle East seeking to incite violence. That's what the citations provided. If you disagree, then feel free to submit a counter citation that demnstrates the info provided is false or at least provides an unreasonable interpretation of the issue.

    Simple claiming the BJ is unreliable is, well, unreliable.

    You're a joke.
    You're right, the cartoons were taken too far by the Danish Imams. The BJ calls for them to be put to death and claims that they created the images themselves, ignoring the fact that they are cited as being received by Muslims participating in an online debate.

    The images, if they really were sent to Muslims, were probably more in anger of the Imam's demands for PCness than actual hate for Muslims and should not have been used by the Imams. Personally I choose not to read sources who distort the news with opinion to drive a predetermined point home.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    An american muslim view on the issue raised in this post about muslims not condeming terrorism enough.

    Ali Eteraz: The Myth of Muslim Condemnation of Terror[/

    The other, equally popular and equally absurd, idea is that Muslims do not condemn terrorism. This too makes its way into culture from the right (though judging by comments to my last post, its diffused to some members of the left). Though it is subtler, and argues from insinuation, it is no less pernicious. The implication is that every Muslim in the world who doesn't engage in terrorism is nevertheless a latent supporter, or enabler, of terrorism because he doesn't make loud proclamations against it.
    First, there is something dirty with the premise of this idea because it makes terrorism a problem of the entire Muslim collective. Perhaps those individuals who make this argument were in a coma during the 20th century when most of us realized that to treat all the people of any one religion, ideology, or race, as a collective is not only bigoted, but downright dangerous.

    Second, heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy." This has had a huge chilling effect on artistic and intellectual production by Muslim youth

    Third, in our digital age, it is an act of egregious ignorance for a human being to actually verbalize the words: "Do Muslims condemn terror?" Here is a suggestion from a lowly immigrant: try this thing called "googling." Start with using the search terms "Muslims condemn terror." This was the first hit for me, how about you?

    Finally, the reality is that condemnations of terrorism have been pouring in for years. The reasons that so many Americans are still ignorant about them are because they have willfully chosen not to pay attention. Having traveled internationally quite a few times since 2001, I can confidently say that our media has one of the lowest IQs about Islam anywhere in the world. It is - and should be - downright shameful that when I speak to British audiences, I am able to have intelligent discussions about complicated points of Islamic history; meanwhile, now six years since 9/11 and in the US I am still clarifying the simple point that Muslims soundly oppose terrorism



    Originally Posted by Invayne
    Did you know that those "racist and disrespectful" cartoons were shown in an EGYPTIAN newspaper about 3 months before the Danish showed them.

    Can you source this? Thanks


    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Cartoons in Egypt: Last October | The Brussels Journal

    You can google Mohammed cartoons in Egyptian paper and get more sources.
    Thanks. This paper ran the story describing them as a "continuing insult" and a "racist bomb". on 10/17/2005 17 days after they were published in the Danish paper not 3 months before. It showed 4 of the 13.
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    So they are allowed to do nothing since they possess neither the means nor intuition to realize it is the policy makers making the decisions?
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    Who are you talking about, the terrorists you defend or the troops you besmirch, you are rather ambiguous here.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yeah right, make more noise?

    Mainstream media hates Moderate Muslims.
    We condemn almost all forms of attacks but do FOX, CNN, BBC, SKY show it? Hell no.

    Face it. Crazy Muslims shouting about killing Americans or Jews are better for their rating than Muslims preaching peace.



    This is laughable.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Who are you talking about, the terrorists you defend or the troops you besmirch, you are rather ambiguous here.
    I clarified it was the fault of policy makers for sending our troops into an offensive operation. The Iraqi's are justified in fighting what they perceive to be a foreign invasion. You are so deluded on this issue that you think any Iraqi who shows resistance to the US occupation is a terrorist. Its amazing the things you and many others can justify just by throwing that word around.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I clarified it was the fault of policy makers for sending our troops into an offensive operation. The Iraqi's are justified in fighting what they perceive to be a foreign invasion. You are so deluded on this issue that you think any Iraqi who shows resistance to the US occupation is a terrorist. Its amazing the things you and many others can justify just by throwing that word around.

    Terrorist, insurgent, man with gun shooting at Americans.... its all the same 7.62 being flung.

    The iraqis have a government, if people are shooting at Americans they are illegal and should be shot.

    I love how you infer US troops are duped and state that illegal combatants are justified. (there is that word better?)


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Terrorist, insurgent, man with gun shooting at Americans.... its all the same 7.62 being flung.

    The iraqis have a government, if people are shooting at Americans they are illegal and should be shot.

    I love how you infer US troops are duped and state that illegal combatants are justified. (there is that word better?)


    PA thetic.
    I never said US troops are duped, they are serving their country and submitting themselves to a higher power in service to our country. I see our continued presence in Iraq for what it is, an occupying force. With this occupation the Iraqi government will never become legitimate.

    I never said we were not justified in returning fire and killing Iraqi combatants, just that they are not terrorists and the use of the word to describe all of our enemies is dangerous.

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