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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Thanks for pointing out what some people are willing to overlook to bash the US and the troops!
    Since when is the US above criticism? Not everyone is a blind nationalist. I didn't realize that one's loyalties to the US had to include being blindly devoted to it's policies and not criticizing it for anything.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Thanks for pointing out what some people are willing to overlook to bash the US and the troops!
    I am bashing the policy makers who disregard the facts and choose to turn the enemy and those all around them into something unworthy of sympathy.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Since when is the US above criticism? Not everyone is a blind nationalist. I didn't realize that one's loyalties to the US had to include being blindly devoted to it's policies and not criticizing it for anything.



    It is not above critisizm. To say however the terrorists are justified is IMO innacurate and fundamentally ignorant of reality.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I am bashing the policy makers who disregard the facts and choose to turn the enemy and those all around them into something unworthy of sympathy.



    Not those who carried out said policy?


    Then how are your terrorist buddies "justified" in killing those who killed their cohorts?


    They aint killing the policy makers.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    The reason you haven't a clue, in regards to the response to the cartoon vs terrorism, is because you, and many other more conservatives, choose to view this as having primarily a religious causation. The racist and disrespectful cartoon singled out Muslims and Arabs by race and religion, two broad terms which made it easy to unite on a global level.
    First off, I am only mildly conservative in regards to fiscal responsibility so don't even try to label me as a blanket conservative. Secondly, in Islam everything is considered to be under the purview of Allah. Thus there is no excuse to protest en-mass one form of Islamic disrespect (offensive Mohammad cartoons) and not protest en-mass a much more grievous form of Islamic disrespect (murdering hundreds of innocents in the name of Islam). Sorry, but Islam can't (either ideologically or ethically) have it both ways without being obviously and terribly inconsistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Terrorism is based more on local conflict and political agenda. This is most clear when they fight each other, disregarding peaceful passages within the Quran. The same way many US leaders and citizens call themselves Christians yet ignore Jesus' message of peace and forgiveness. If you insist on putting religion to the fore and settling for the easy explanation, you will continue to be confused when Muslims rise up against direct attacks on their religion and stereotypes while ignoring politically motivated terror.
    You miss the overarching point. Any willful attacks on innocents by Muslims - and accomplished in the name of Islam - should be loudly and publicy castigated en-mass by the Muslim community regardless of whether the catalyst is either politically or religiously inspired.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I couldn't find any source to back up your claim. The sites I found supporting your claim were clearly biased and placed the cartoon in Egypt's newspapers in October 2005, which would actually be two weeks after the danish newspaper's publication. Those biased sources also fail to address the context in which the cartoons were put in the Egyptian newspaper. They were condemning the images.
    I don't know whether the cartoons were published in Egypt prior to being published in the Danish publication. What I do recall, though, and what I think is more important, is that some of the cartoons presented to the Arab street were not published in the Danish publication. They were created by the very clerics brandishing the actual cartoons throughout the Middle East in order to stir up resentment and anger.

    I'll try to find a link, but while the Danish publication publisged 12 cartoons, the set of cartoons distributed by that islamic group in Denmark included 15 cartoons.

    Here we go.

    Another.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    The reason you haven't a clue, in regards to the response to the cartoon vs terrorism, is because you, and many other more conservatives, choose to view this as having primarily a religious causation. The racist and disrespectful cartoon singled out Muslims and Arabs by race and religion, two broad terms which made it easy to unite on a global level.
    Oh? So these terror attacks are not motivated by religion? The flavor of the day grievances cited by these terrorists don't have any religious component to them whatsoever? So when OBL declared that the presence of American troops in the holy land of Saudi Arabia justified his terror attacks against the US, that was what? Bin Laden giving us a head fake? Bin Laden lying? Bin Laden never said such things?

    Well?

    If you insist on putting religion to the fore and settling for the easy explanation, you will continue to be confused when Muslims rise up against direct attacks on their religion and stereotypes while ignoring politically motivated terror.
    Hmmm, so you believe that burning embassies, taking hostages, murdering three people suspected of being Christians and/or Danes, shooting at Danish soldiers helping children in Iraq, marching through London with banners threatening further bomb attacks on the city, and attacking and beating people whom they suspected of some vague connection with, well, with Europe or Christianity to be a justified response to cartoons?

    Seriously?

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by SquareMelon View Post
    Can you source this? Thanks
    Cartoons in Egypt: Last October | The Brussels Journal

    You can google Mohammed cartoons in Egyptian paper and get more sources.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Timeline of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy

    I couldn't find any source to back up your claim. The sites I found supporting your claim were clearly biased and placed the cartoon in Egypt's newspapers in October 2005, which would actually be two weeks after the danish newspaper's publication. Those biased sources also fail to address the context in which the cartoons were put in the Egyptian newspaper. They were condemning the images.
    Oh come on. Wiki? Talk about unreliable sources!

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Did you know that those "racist and disrespectful" cartoons were shown in an EGYPTIAN newspaper about 3 months before the Danish showed them, and no one got upset? Why was that? Sounds like the Muslims crying for blood are the racist ones.
    I was disgusted at the cartoons.
    But i felt physically ill when the cartoons was supressed by the Media.
    The same rights that allow me to sit here and speak my mind should equally protect those bashing any religion they please.

    Thats freedom and some European Muslims do need to realise they cannot have it both ways. They cannot benefit from those freedoms when it suits them without respecting those rights even if its something they do not like being said.

    The Governments let me down as a moderate Muslim for not telling those Muslims protesting violently to shut up and sit down and if they do not like it; to get out of Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    do muslims have no understanding of the term REVOLUTION?
    plenty of peoples have done it
    and guess what, it will cost blood and treasure
    but as long as you sit on your hands, you are equally to blame, for what is done in your name
    Revolution?

    I personally feel that soon there will be a clash between moderate Islam and the Extreme version. Both cannot exist at the same time :/
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