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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    The Islamists don't reinterpret anything, the Islamists are only interpreting Islam the way it has been interpreted for the last 15 hundred years ever since Mohammed, IE it is the duty of Muslims to expand dar al-Islam through offensive Jihad and to kill, convert, or subjugate as Dhimmi half slaves every non-Muslim on the planet. THAT'S ISLAM, the history of the Islamic world since Mohammed proves it as does its present, while there maybe moderate Muslims there is no moderate Islam and there never was, genuine Muslim reformers have to completely ignore cerain parts of the Koran and Hadiths all together. And I love how today the category of "moderate" is allowed for Muslims who may support sharia and what not, but they just don't blow **** up to obtain it, that's hardly makes them a moderate in my book.

    Oh please, when they allow for free and fair elections in that region the Islamists get elected.
    I love how they become "free and fair elections" when you're bashing Islam but they're brutal dictators when we invade or want to sanction them.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Again, I hate to interrupt personal diatribes and childish spats about "Islam is bad...Islam is good" for news about, you know, the actual topic, but in case anyone is interested and hasn't thrown up their hands and moved on, the death toll is now up to 160. The hostages at the Jewish center have all been killed, including two children. At least one terrorist is still holed up in the Taj hotel; 30 people are dead at the Oberjoi hotel but the remaining live hostages have been rescued. Several Indian police officers have been killed, including the chief of their anti-terrorist unit. It's been a horrible tragedy for the people of Mumbai.

    India is now outright stating that the terrorists came from Pakistan; Pakistan is flat denying it (how they can deny it, I don't know, since the guys spoke Pakistani... but apparently the Pakistani government is sticking with the "if we don't admit it, it doesn't exist" school of thought.)

    The ramifications of this tragedy could be huge. I feel terrible for the people of India. This really is their "9-11".
    hmmmmmm
    ~160 currently vs ~3000 dead, and ~5000 planes ordered out of the skies of North America no matter where they were
    hmmmmmm
    maybe 9-11 jr
    as tragic a situation as it is, it hardly compares


    and so what if they spoke Pakistani
    from what I heard some spoke English when asking for the passports
    .should Britain & America nuke themselves over this?

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I love how they become "free and fair elections" when you're bashing Islam but they're brutal dictators when we invade or want to sanction them.
    There were free and fair elections in Palestine and Lebanon. In fact whenever free elections occur it seems that the Islamists win, the only exceptions would be in countries which were forced to ban Islamist parties like Turkey and Indonesia.

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    A reinterpretation is not necessary, a vast majority live peacefully and non-violent lives. What needs to be addressed are the conditions which bread the need for reinterpretation. The monopolies of minority leadership which are being propped up by western economic interest are the underlying cause.
    And I'm not even slightly inclined to believe that this pipedream of yours would occur without Western influences.
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Anemia View Post
    Oh hell no! One of my biggest fears over this attack is that it'll be used to justify further military attacks on the region, and since I'm typing this while the news talks about a teen-aged Marine UK dying in Helmand Province, you can probably understand why I'm arguing this point with you.
    Apparently, the Islamics wish to have their way in the world, which of course is not good for the Atheist, the Christian, the Jew....ect.

    So, how exactly do you see removing "Islam" from any school system as being a way to fight terror, given that these conflicts are most often caused by political, ethnic and territorial factors cloaked in a misunderstanding of what Islam is about?I am to understand that the Islamic schools teach hatred and fear and intolerance..This, of course is not good.. I'm not in favour of denominational schooling, but your suggestion would both infuriate people and not do any good at all.Tough !, I'm still angry over "9-11-01" and all the other attacks.
    Cleaning up the schools will do a world of good, but they must rid themselves of the Mullahs with their hateful Koran..
    As Laila says, it's the perversion of the text that's the problem.Ok, then they should clean up the Koran, revise it; its a stupid thing anyway, trying to live one's life based on a book written so long ago.. Fight that, and while they'll probably just switch to using something else to justify their attacks, at least they can't hide behind Islam anymore.

    And I take issue with your assumption teaching children Islam is counter-productive to encouraging tolerance. Should we shut down parochial schools in the West while we're at it? We do not teach hatred, intolerance in our schools. Do not compare Islam to Christianity.



    Okay then, what is it you expect Muslims to do, and what haven't they done, about this? What is a UK Muslim like Laila supposed to do about perversion of Islam in nation thousands of miles away from her home, aside from debunking harmful rhetoric, as she's already doing?

    It really frustrates me sometimes, the inability/refusal so many have (not necessarily yourself in particular) about seeing the bigger picture. Islam is not causing these incidents. Political tension, feelings of victimization and anger at the West, quarrels over representation, power and land are causing these conflicts. Perverting Islam however, in a religious nation, is an effective way of bringing people over to your side. You may not be willing to die for land, for more cash, but for your God? A lot more people are going to sign up for the last option.

    Target those who encourage violence in Islam's name. Encourage foreign aid programs for social welfare, health and literacy, which in addition to being a great thing to do morally, will also stop so much of the Middle East hating the West.

    Cast a careful eye over your foreign policy over the last few decades and try and figure out how things got this bad.

    Aim for foreign policy that helps the rest of the world, and for the love of God, stop invading countries unless doing so is a mortal necessity, because their fellow citizens dying in front of them is going to leave a lot of people furious, saddened and ripe for recruitment to fight those they blame for those deaths.

    Learn real quantifiable lessons to help your nation fight terror.

    /rant

    But nah, "ISLAMMZ IS FUH TERRORISTZZ!" is just so much easier. And what is meant by this nasty little remark ?



    Are there problems with information sharing between nations at the moment? Because at least regarding the situation in Mumbai, it appears the British police already have a system set up to conduct their investigations and funnel the information uncovered to the Indian government.
    Of course there are problems with "information sharing". This is slowly improving, but with all the world's languages, privacy concerns, intellect and honesty of people handling personal data..

    After 9-11-01, what would you have done ?

    But, I agree( the Iraq war), we should have concentrated a lot more no catching bin Laden, no matter which country he was in....

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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    Doubtful, I am more inclined to believe we'll be seeing celebrations as we did after 911.
    I highly doubt it.
    And what world celebrations after 9/11?


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
    Yes they have ever since dar al-Islam invaded and perpetrated the largest genocide in history on the indian subcontinent.
    No one is certain who is behind these attacks. Keep that in mind.

    We all know that huh? I suppose that's why OBL said that he "was ordered to fight all the people until they say there is no god but allah and mohammed is his prophet."
    So .... American troops who in history entered Saudi Arabia, or the previous war in Iraq or this war on Iraq/Afghanistan, the continuation of funding Israelis to kill and starve Palestinians, congratulating and funding dirty dictators and then condeming others in the same breath, Iran/Iraq war, friends with Saudi Royals and ensuring they stay within power ....

    You are right, Islam is the sole reason for anyone to want to hate US

    Political Islam IE Islamism is the ONLY factor in this attack without that bankrupt exteremist ideology brainwashing millions of people around the word this attack would not have occurred.
    Bull****.
    This attack has a basis of Politics and seeing the attackers are not confirmed, i wouldn't assume anything.

    3 Possible groups.
    Indian grown militants.
    Pakistani militants
    Al Qaeda



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    Will you accept testimony from persons raised Islamic who then learned better ? That is who the man was mentioning.

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    No. Their opinion is worthless to me.
    They are clearly in it for the money and idiotic westerners swallow it. Write a book crying about traumatic times will not get you anywhere, add Muslim or Former Muslim and its bound to fly off the shelves
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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Of course there are problems with "information sharing". This is slowly improving, but with all the world's languages, privacy concerns, intellect and honesty of people handling personal data..

    After 9-11-01, what would you have done ?

    But, I agree( the Iraq war), we should have concentrated a lot more no catching bin Laden, no matter which country he was in....
    YOU are still angry about 9/11? Please.

    Your country got its justice when it attacked two Muslim countries killing way more than died in 9/11.


    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Moreover, who has the authority to re-interpret? I don't recall pluralism being a valid excuse to "reinterpret". How would reinterpretation of the divine be justified ?
    That is the exact problem within Islam.
    We have no one with the authority system within Islam. Who would approve of the re interpretations?

    Technically, Imam's could be the next one down from Prophets in the hierarchy but i doubt it.
    Last edited by Laila; 11-29-08 at 05:55 AM.


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Update:

    Bloody end to the siege of Bombay

    Commandos were last night fighting the last gunmen holed up in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel in Bombay as one of the worst terrorist attacks in India’s history reached its bloody endgame.

    The diplomatic fallout was just beginning, however, as India laid the blame for the attacks on Pakistan and an official said that two of the militants were British Pakistanis. British officials said that they were investigating the possibility of such a link but had found no evidence.

    India also faced criticism when five Israeli hostages were found dead inside a Jewish centre after a raid by commandos. An Israeli offer of assistance had been turned down.
    At least 144 people dead
    19 being foreigners


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    Re: At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Will you accept testimony from persons raised Islamic who then learned better ? That is who the man was mentioning.

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