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    Freedom House calls for investigation

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    Freedom House Press Release

    A few weeks ago, Taiwanese police used brutal tactics to prevent visiting Chinese envoy CHen Yunlin from witnessing anti-China protests. They took flags away from people, they forcibly (and violently) closed a record shop, they took down a sign hanging from a hotel room in the hotel where the envoy was staying, they took away cameras and videocameras from people in the protest area, they used water cannons to disperse peaceful protesters, they forcibly removed peaceful student protesters who were protesting the heavy-handed police tactics.

    The tactics of the Ma administration has severly weakened the civil rights of Taiwan's people and are reminiscent of tactics used when Chiang Ching-kuo was in power in Taiwan.

    There NEEDS to be an independent investigtion of police tactics and those responsible need to be brought to justice.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    I am worried for Taiwan right now. If this is how its government can easily be bent over the visitor of one Chinese diplomatic, then there is not a lot of hope for its future sovereignty and democracy. The same thing happens in the West though with big protests that challenge the government. If one person misbehaves, the police attack everyone, hence the advent of agents provocateurs.

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I am worried for Taiwan right now. If this is how its government can easily be bent over the visitor of one Chinese diplomatic, then there is not a lot of hope for its future sovereignty and democracy. The same thing happens in the West though with big protests that challenge the government. If one person misbehaves, the police attack everyone, hence the advent of agents provocateurs.
    I am am also concerned. It is as if Ma has no idea that the public is increasingly discontent of the people in Taiwan and if he ignores the increasing calls for an independent investigation of the violence and other violations of basic civil rights perpetrated by the police in Taipei, more and more people will turn against him. As it is right now, he stands little chance of re-election in the next elections - as more and more people who voted for him say they will never vote for him again.

    Now, we have a discriminatory economic stimulus plan passed, but while it is getting better, there are still discriminatory elements to it.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Now, we have a discriminatory economic stimulus plan passed, but while it is getting better, there are still discriminatory elements to it.
    Like what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Like what?
    It will still be difficult to use with traditional vendors and markets - though they say they are still working on it, and foreign resident taxpayers are still excluded. Some of the other bad provisions from earlier in the week have been mostly worked out though. It is a much fairer package today than it was on MOnday.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    I care little for whether Taiwan retains it's Democracy (such as it is).
    What really concerns me is whether the US will continue on it's hedonistic charge down the road to Socialism/Communism?

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    I care little for whether Taiwan retains it's Democracy (such as it is).
    What really concerns me is whether the US will continue on it's hedonistic charge down the road to Socialism/Communism?
    I care about both.

    The U.S. will figure out that this is the wrong road - before it is too late. They did last time, they will again.

    As for democracy in other countries, it is in the U.S. interest to have more democracies in the world. Even if the people in those countries don't like the US (something that is NOT the case in Taiwan - Taiwanese by in large LOVE the United States), it is better than to have the world run by tyrants who will actively work to subvert the interests of the United States.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I care about both.

    The U.S. will figure out that this is the wrong road - before it is too late. They did last time, they will again.

    As for democracy in other countries, it is in the U.S. interest to have more democracies in the world. Even if the people in those countries don't like the US (something that is NOT the case in Taiwan - Taiwanese by in large LOVE the United States), it is better than to have the world run by tyrants who will actively work to subvert the interests of the United States.
    Except that the U.S. is not a democratic nation, it is a polyarchy, and this is how it wishes to fashion the other nations it invades. People are given the incidental freedom to vote every few years, but the candidates are selected by the elites in the country, and those elected have almost complete power.

    It is not about removing tyranny. Some tyrants are left in power for the simple fact that they cooperate with American elites. It's about economic power first and foremost, and this is what the American people have zero influence on. In American elections, the real issues are never talked about: globalization, free trade, economic liberalism, foreign policy, etc. But that is all the elites care about.

    I am not convinced that the U.S. would do very much at this point if China wanted to take hold again in Taiwan. It might intervene in order to save "democratic" face since it signed an agreement back in history (after all, it must at least try to preserve the myth that it is a democratic nation serving democratic interests), but it would never go to war with China because the elites would not allow it to happen.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    THis whole thread is completely dishonest.
    Brutal tactics? What the OP clearly will not post is what resulted in the police force cracking down on the protestors.
    Which was already shown here here and here in these various videos that you can view for yourself of the allegedly violent crack down.
    But will any of this matter? No, because the OP has been able to dishonestly manipulate the democracy of Taiwan with being synonomous with the negative connotations of communist China - all without providing the slightest shred of evidence other than empty allegations.
    The pan greens of Taiwan want to pretend that Taiwan is going backwards in democracy.
    Have constitutional rights been suspended? No; have individual rights been wrongfully violated? again no. There is not a single shred of truth to these allegations, nothing but pan greens who now have no power whatsoever and are looking for every opportunity to deligitimize the now ruling party.
    In typical fashion all we need to see are the mention of the word China, and the word attack and the poster wouldn't need to validate their arguments anymore due to the negative sentimental associations.

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    I care little for whether Taiwan retains it's Democracy (such as it is).
    What really concerns me is whether the US will continue on it's hedonistic charge down the road to Socialism/Communism?
    Which company/companies are being nationalised?

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