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Freedom House calls for investigation

The dominican republic under Bosch.

Actually, at the time of the US military intervention in question, the Dominican Republic was "under" military rule, NOT under Bosch.

There is no guarantee that democracies will never go to war with one another. But democratic countries have and continue to show strong indications of getting along with one another far better than countries with opposing ideals of government.
 
Actually, at the time of the US military intervention in question, the Dominican Republic was "under" military rule, NOT under Bosch.

Sure but the army [or was it the marines?] was sent in more or less straight after the [u.s backed] military coup that removed Bosch from power as a result of the level of resistance to it. Given that the army needed the help of the american armed forces to take over the country it could be argued that they were a key part of removing Bosch from power. Ergo what you have is one democracy using force to overthrow another. The same goes for Jacob Arbenz etc. [albiet primarily via proxy]
 
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There is no guarantee that democracies will never go to war with one another. But democratic countries have and continue to show strong indications of getting along with one another far better than countries with opposing ideals of government.

I think that point of view has a degree of legitimacy but it misses out the economic aspect to these opposing ideals. I.E the way in which theres been a great deal of violence between liberal democracys with opossing ideals about the role of the government in the economy. For example the overthrow of a number of democratic left of center governments in Latin America by the c.i.a [despite these governments often being far more moderate then their counter parts in western europe]
 
Sure but the army [or was it the marines?] was sent in more or less straight after the [u.s backed] military coup that removed Bosch from power as a result of the level of resistance to it. Given that the army needed the help of the american armed forces to take over the country it could be argued that they were a key part of removing Bosch from power. Ergo what you have is one democracy using force to overthrow another. The same goes for Jacob Arbenz etc. [albiet primarily via proxy]

U.S. Marines were sent in my President Johnson NEARLY TWO YEARS after Juan Bosch was overthrown by the Dominican military. The operation was supported by the OAS and shortly afterward, there was a democratic election in the country.

I have never seen any credible evidence that the U.S. was behind the military coup that overthrew Juan Bosch. Kinda like allegations the US CIA was behind the overthrow of Salvador Allende. The anti-U.S. activitists like to repeat it time and again, but have no evidence or facts to support their absurdity.
 
Wow. Another conviction against a KMT elected official. Except, the Legislative Yuan will stand by and not even censure their legislator. Imagine the furor they would raise were it a member of the MINORITY party, the DPP?

Here is the article.
 
FIVE KMT legislator's have had their victories annulled and what is the KMT tying to do? CHANGE THE LAW TO ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THEIR POSTS INDEFINATELY.

The KMT once again proving that they are the most corrupt political party in the democratic world.

article here
 
Except that the U.S. is not a democratic nation, it is a polyarchy,

A polyarchy is a democracy read your own link.

and this is how it wishes to fashion the other nations it invades. People are given the incidental freedom to vote every few years, but the candidates are selected by the elites in the country, and those elected have almost complete power.

No candidates are selected by the people through primaries.
 
A polyarchy is a democracy read your own link.

Not necessarily. Re-read the link.

A polyarchy strictly states that the individual's power is limited to voting abilities. Even though people have the right to popular protest, the government isn't obligated to listen. Thus, you elect people, and your job is done. That is the cornerstone of a polyarchy.

Democracy in a strict sense is people voting everytime a major issue comes up, but this is not the case here. Also, one vote does not translate well in a Presidential election, given the electoral college.

No candidates are selected by the people through primaries.

And the candidates in the primaries are brought forth by whom? The rich elites. You need money to be a successful candidate.
 
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Once again, the Taipei Times is reporting the news that the pan-Blue China Post ignores.

Here is the press release from FIDH.




You may hate the Taipei Times because it is green, but you have no justification for your claims against it. At least it reports the news. Three days in a row, it has ACCURATELY reproted news about concern into the violence of the police in Taipei earlier this month. In all three cases, the KMT censors prevented its publication in the China Post.
Taipei times is utterly biased and commonly full of lies.
It blows everything out of proportion for it's own purposes so as to spread proindependence propaganda to western readers.
Accurately, funny how you've not been able to share a single video showing this "brutallity".

Yeah control yuan launched an investigation, care to show a follow up on the conclusion of that investigation?
Of course, taipei times will not be reporting anything on that.
I've already showed videos of the alleged "brutality" spin it all you want lu.
 
Now, even the CONTROL YUAN is going to launch an investigation into the alleged abuses of police authority in Taipei earlier this month. While not exactly independent, it is significant. Try and deny THAT!

link
How is it significant?
Also, what has been the conclusion of these investigations lu?
Funny how you don't follow up on anything except for continuous allegations.
 
Wow. Another conviction against a KMT elected official. Except, the Legislative Yuan will stand by and not even censure their legislator. Imagine the furor they would raise were it a member of the MINORITY party, the DPP?

Here is the article.
Do you even read your own article? Where is it shown that the elected official in question was convicted? Allegations, and then a guilt by association to his father being found guilty of vote buying - typical of the taipei times.
Desperate
 
FIVE KMT legislator's have had their victories annulled and what is the KMT tying to do? CHANGE THE LAW TO ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THEIR POSTS INDEFINATELY.

The KMT once again proving that they are the most corrupt political party in the democratic world.

article here
Further allegations by the DPP, reported by the taipei times as factual.
The whole story is nothing even close to this.
And what the hell does this have anything whatsoever to do with the allegations of police brutality?
Seems you're not making a very good case for yourself here other than making various allegations against the KMT and then lump them all together as factual so as to make some form of legitimate complaint that there was a conspiracy with the government and the police to attack "peaceful" protesters.
Videos speak for themselves and after what? 2 weeks? You still haven't been able to show any objective source to support your allegations. That you have to derail your own thread shows just how desperate you are.
 
Taipei times is utterly biased and commonly full of lies.
It blows everything out of proportion for it's own purposes so as to spread proindependence propaganda to western readers.
Accurately, funny how you've not been able to share a single video showing this "brutallity".

Except that I have provided links to the organizations themselves making the calls for investigations. The problem with the China Post is that they ignore most news that makes the Blues look bad. They didn't carry the international calls for an investigation or even the news that the Control Yuan would order an investigation. THey also didn't report that FIVE (count them, FIVE) KMT legislators have had their elections anulled and that the KMT is trying to change the law so they can keep their seats. You have not provided any evidence that the Taipei Times is not telling the truth - we have only your claims to back it up.

As for finding video, I have a life - unlike some people on here - and thus don't have the time to spend looking for videos or pictures. I only spend a few minutes online each day.

Yeah control yuan launched an investigation, care to show a follow up on the conclusion of that investigation?
Of course, taipei times will not be reporting anything on that.
I've already showed videos of the alleged "brutality" spin it all you want lu.

We shall see when the investigation is over - unless, of course, the Blues on the committee (they are the majority in the COntrol Yuan) falsify their findings or simply not make a report because it will implicate the police and pan-Blue officials sanctioning of violence.
 
Do you even read your own article? Where is it shown that the elected official in question was convicted? Allegations, and then a guilt by association to his father being found guilty of vote buying - typical of the taipei times.
Desperate

There have been findings of vote buying by the Judiciary and the KMT is trying to change the law to allow them to keep their seats. The China Post won't report it because it makes their side look bad. You can't show that the Taipei Times is lying, so you make the charge - hoping it will stick.
 
Except that I have provided links to the organizations themselves making the calls for investigations. The problem with the China Post is that they ignore most news that makes the Blues look bad. They didn't carry the international calls for an investigation or even the news that the Control Yuan would order an investigation. THey also didn't report that FIVE (count them, FIVE) KMT legislators have had their elections anulled and that the KMT is trying to change the law so they can keep their seats. You have not provided any evidence that the Taipei Times is not telling the truth - we have only your claims to back it up.
According to allegations by DPP members. Hmm conflict of interest?
All nothing but partisan allegations. They'd filed to the judiciary but the judiciary has not made any ruling nor even indicments. So where does your argument stem from? Guilt by association again.

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As for finding video, I have a life - unlike some people on here - and thus don't have the time to spend looking for videos or pictures. I only spend a few minutes online each day.
Ahh yes, the "I have a life and thus am too good for providing proof" argument.
Funny coming from a person that has a blog site with continuous rants on the issues of the evil KMT being synonomous with the CCP.
As well as the feigned outrage at an 9/11 poster for election - reminds me of a certain georgian senator who's running for re-election hmmmmm.

ludahai said:
We shall see when the investigation is over - unless, of course, the Blues on the committee (they are the majority in the COntrol Yuan) falsify their findings or simply not make a report because it will implicate the police and pan-Blue officials sanctioning of violence.
Ahh, there you go, immediately dismissing any findings that would go against your prejudice and bias.
As I've said, you're not interested in any truth or facts, you only want to sling mud towards those you disagree with.
You're not going to follow up on any of these "investigations" unless they agree with you. But that won't stop you from making these allegations of guilty until proven innocent.
 
According to allegations by DPP members. Hmm conflict of interest?
All nothing but partisan allegations. They'd filed to the judiciary but the judiciary has not made any ruling nor even indicments. So where does your argument stem from? Guilt by association again.

DPP allegations? DPP allegations that FIVE members of the KMT have had their elections annulled? DPP allegations that the KMT is trying to change the law? Sorry, some things are allegations, but these are facts. Last week, another KMT legislator had his election annulled. Are you going to tell me that this decision by a judge is only an allegation from a DPP member?

Ahh yes, the "I have a life and thus am too good for providing proof" argument.

I HAVE been providing proof, all through this thread.

Funny coming from a person that has a blog site with continuous rants on the issues of the evil KMT being synonomous with the CCP.

I have not been able to update that blog for quite some time because I have been very busy with my business due to the fact that we experienced greater than expected growth in enrollment this school year.

As well as the feigned outrage at an 9/11 poster for election - reminds me of a certain georgian senator who's running for re-election hmmmmm.

Feigned outrage? Sorry, the outrage was real. When I saw that campaign poster in my mailbox two days before the election in 2004, I was so angry I nearly took someones head off.

Ahh, there you go, immediately dismissing any findings that would go against your prejudice and bias.

I support an INDEPENDENT investivation. Not an investigation from KMT political hacks.

As I've said, you're not interested in any truth or facts, you only want to sling mud towards those you disagree with.

You are the one not interested in facts. You are the one who can't accept the truth about what the KMT really is.

You're not going to follow up on any of these "investigations" unless they agree with you. But that won't stop you from making these allegations of guilty until proven innocent.

You mean like the allegations you and your ilk make regarding former President Chen?
 
Where have I claimed there are ongoing investigations or that investigations have been completed? You should try READING posts sometime.
you don't need to make those claims, you just simply need to make the allegations to make your point.
Your argument is such, There should be investigations - and even if the investigations come up contrary to what I believe it's simply because the government controls all of it.
Funny thing of such a rationale given that A) you've not even been able to support your claim other than specious allegations; B) now you're on the other side getting such thrown right back at you.
 
DPP allegations? DPP allegations that FIVE members of the KMT have had their elections annulled? DPP allegations that the KMT is trying to change the law? Sorry, some things are allegations, but these are facts. Last week, another KMT legislator had his election annulled. Are you going to tell me that this decision by a judge is only an allegation from a DPP member?
Indicments? Convictions? Sources? Not to mention, what was the rationale behind the annulments? Vote buying?

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I HAVE been providing proof, all through this thread.
Typically no matter the situation, if it were indeed factual, you would be able to find sources that are from the otherside, as I have been able to find and post information relating to abian's corruption from even the Taipei Times.

ludahai said:
I have not been able to update that blog for quite some time because I have been very busy with my business due to the fact that we experienced greater than expected growth in enrollment this school year.
Hasn't stoped you much from posting your empty allegations here.
Come on now, how about something countering the visual objective video's that I've posted showing your "peaceful" protestors.

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Feigned outrage? Sorry, the outrage was real. When I saw that campaign poster in my mailbox two days before the election in 2004, I was so angry I nearly took someones head off.
first off, few people in Taiwan give two ****s about OBL or AQ.
Second off, I'm surprised that being from Georgia you would be so outraged at such given that the GOP senator from Georgia unapologetically used such measures against Sen. Maxx
So yeah, feigned outrage.

ludahai said:
I support an INDEPENDENT investivation. Not an investigation from KMT political hacks.
No, you support only an investigation that arrives at your conclusions.
Funny thing though as you don't even have any basis for an investigation other than allegations.
I have a 10000 karat diamond in my back yard, I demand an investigation to prove of it's validity.
Put your money where your mouth is and stop waisting time over such bogus allegations. You want one? Pay for it.

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You are the one not interested in facts. You are the one who can't accept the truth about what the KMT really is.
I know what they once were, I know what they are today, I know what the DPP once was, and I know what it is today. I used to be DPP member myself back in 89~92. Shih Mingde is lives just upstairs to me, you've no grounds whatsoever in lecturing me about who is who kiddo.

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You mean like the allegations you and your ilk make regarding former President Chen?
Allegations such as what? Corruption? Funny how that vault was discovered huh? Faked bullets? Interestingly convenient how the perpatrator just decided to commit suicide because of a sensation of guilt without any motive and that Abian himself didn't even want there to be an investigation into his own shooting? Strange.
 
Add Amnesty International making calls for an investigation. They also warn President Ma and the government not to use excessive violence against tomorrow's protest - which unfortunately, I will not be able to attend.

article here

Amnesty International statement here

Of course, the pro-KMT China Post ignores its existance
 
Now your Blue warrior Chiu Yi has been caught lying about saying he got information from the President-elect of Palau stating that the government of Palau helped Chen hide money in Palau.

article here

Of course, the Blue China Post ignores it again.

Chen should sue the ^%^% out of Chiu and Sisi Chen and others spreading these malicious lies. Part of the reason why Chen's approval ratings are so low due to these lies by Chiu and others, along with the trial by media the prosecution is playing in the media.

Shameless behavior by the blues.
 
Now your Blue warrior Chiu Yi has been caught lying about saying he got information from the President-elect of Palau stating that the government of Palau helped Chen hide money in Palau.

article here

Of course, the Blue China Post ignores it again.

Chen should sue the ^%^% out of Chiu and Sisi Chen and others spreading these malicious lies. Part of the reason why Chen's approval ratings are so low due to these lies by Chiu and others, along with the trial by media the prosecution is playing in the media.

Shameless behavior by the blues.
I knew this day would come, when you come in here defending your darling corrupt Abian - you're true colors are showing in just the kind of hyperpartisan you actually are.
It really doesn't matter what Chiu says though, his statement was rubbish :beatdeadhorse: To begin with.
The only shameless behavior I see here is your attempt in defending this sack of **** corrupt political head.
I'd love to see what you say about the hidden safe found in his house.
 
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