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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    There you go moving the goal post. You claimed the KMT - and of course we know how the PFP has always been on the same side as the KMT don't we?
    Ever heard of the pan-Blue alliance? They had more seats than the Greens. Most reforms that were proposed by the Greens were defeated by the Blues. The last half of President Chen's presidency even saw Blues proudly proclaiming that they were blocking proposals solely for the purpose of refusing to do anything that would make Chen look good, even to the detriment of the country.

    He ought be, he's another corrupt politician just not as blatently obvious to everyone as abian is.
    And of course, the Horse and the KMT are squeaky clean.

    What rights were violated? He would be an interference with the investigation and likly to tamper with evidence, as such, proceedurly - which multiple nations have the same form of laws, he was jailed without bail.
    And without charge. Jailing someone without bail is acceptable in certain circumstances if charges have been filed. However, bail is a right in most cases. US laws and custom require bail except in extraordinary circumstances even after charges/indictments have been filed. Here, we are talking about someone being held for FIVE WEEKS without charges/indictments.

    Whatever, you're only bitching and whining about this because it was a DPP, I saw you cheering and joyous when Ma was indicted and tried nothing about "fair trial" or any other such bull****.
    I DID call for a fair trial. I also did NOT call for his detention - either before or after indictments were issued. I am consistent. You are not.

    His communicado was the tampering with evidence part.
    What evidence was he tampering with? Are are you going to argue that defendants do not have a right to arrange their own defense.

    Sorry but I don't care much for the rights of corrupt politicians, regardless of their affiliations, they can all be shat on and die from it for all I care - want to see a poll around Taiwan as to how many people think that abian is a corrupt sack of ****? I'll give you a hint, it's far above 60%
    The polls are largely a function of the disinformation that the blue media and idiots like Chiu Yi, among others, have spewed for the past four years. If he is found guilty by a competant court in a fair trial, he should be thrown in jail. However, until then, he has the right to a fair trial, to his civil rights being protected, and the legal presumption of innocence.

    No, it's towards any corrupt politician - you support corruption?
    No, I don't. Then again, you support the most corrupt political party in the history of Taiwan with as many as (perhaps even more) than SEVEN legislators still currently illegally holding their seats in the Legislative Yuan under the protection of the KMT majority.

    I reserve nothing but disgust towards corrupt political heads. Keep drinking green koolaid kiddo.
    Unless they are Blue.

    I'm sorry but wasn't Chen just released from jail because also of the laws?
    After five weeks in prison without charge.

    What don't you understand? It's the fracking law; abian should've thought about law before he broke it - his whole family ought to have thought about law before they broke it.
    I understand clearly. What don't YOU understand about those laws NOT meeting general expectations of the protection of human and civil rights in a 21st century democracy.

    You break the law and you're bitching about having right to freedom being denied? Cry me a river, next you're going to tell me that all prisoners ought be freed.
    ALLEGEDLY broke a law. Has he been convicted yet? How about the numerous KMT Legislators who have neen convicted! Including at least one who was convicted of a VIOLENT CRIME who put people's PHYSICAL SAFETY at risk.

    Why so vague? are you claiming that it was Ma who called for his detention? Is that your claim?
    The prosecutors work for the Executive Yuan. They called for his detention without charge. Then the prosecutors worked for PResident Chen, did they make similar calls for Ma to be detained without charge?

    Please, get your head out of your arse and open your eyes and for once think for yourself rather than just drinking from Tsai's koolaid - abian is a sack of **** corrupt politician.
    Perhaps he is. However, he still has the same rights to a fair trial as anyone else?

    Which single party had the majority? Go on, tell us exact numbers lu, how many did the KMT have and how many did the DPP have.
    No single party had a majority. The Pan-Blue COALITION had a majority. Your claims that the DPP had a majority is a lie.

    DPP had 87 seats, the Taiwan Solidarity Union had 13 seats for a total of 100 seats.
    KMT had 68 seats, the PFP had 46 seats, the New Party had 1 for a total of 115 seats.
    10 seats went to neutral parties/independents.

    The last I checked, 115 out of 225 seats constitutes a majority, one held by the KMT and their PFP allies. Care to lie about this or more the bar again?


    Removed? How were they removed? Have people's right to congregate and protest been suspended? You are such a partisan hack job that completely mis-represents the truth.
    The protestors were FORCIBLY removed by police at 5 AM in the morning. The students were taken to NTU while the Tibetan protestors were taken and dropped off in the hills of Neihu (roughly Taipei's equivalent to the middle of nowhere.) You are the partisan hack job with no notion of basic human and political rights.

    Why were they removed lu, tell us all on what grounds did the police remove these protestors?
    They were removed because they were preaching a message that the city government of Taipei could no longer tolerate. They were peaceful, UNLIKE YOUR BLUE THUGS FOUR YEARS AGO! I love someone who supports a political party whose thugs formented the most violent demostrations in the history of democratic Taiwan, yet supports the forces removal of students peacefully protesting at Liberty Square.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Ever heard of the pan-Blue alliance? They had more seats than the Greens. Most reforms that were proposed by the Greens were defeated by the Blues. The last half of President Chen's presidency even saw Blues proudly proclaiming that they were blocking proposals solely for the purpose of refusing to do anything that would make Chen look good, even to the detriment of the country.
    I don't care lu, answer the question, which party not pan, but party controlled the most number of seats between 2000 and 2008.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    And of course, the Horse and the KMT are squeaky clean.
    The horse is squeaky clean - the KMT is not. How's Abian? DPP?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    And without charge. Jailing someone without bail is acceptable in certain circumstances if charges have been filed. However, bail is a right in most cases. US laws and custom require bail except in extraordinary circumstances even after charges/indictments have been filed. Here, we are talking about someone being held for FIVE WEEKS without charges/indictments.
    No, not true at all, should the suspect be suspect of tampering with evidence or be suspect of inpedeing with the investigation the suspect can be held without bail under custody for a fixed duration - that is exactly what happend in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    I DID call for a fair trial. I also did NOT call for his detention - either before or after indictments were issued. I am consistent. You are not.
    And of course, the trail was unfair because it disagreed with your allegations.
    Where was your call of fair trial here? Never saw it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    What evidence was he tampering with? Are are you going to argue that defendants do not have a right to arrange their own defense.
    A phone call to his wife or son so as to make their stories the same. As I've said, this is common practice in all civilized societies

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    The polls are largely a function of the disinformation that the blue media and idiots like Chiu Yi, among others, have spewed for the past four years. If he is found guilty by a competant court in a fair trial, he should be thrown in jail. However, until then, he has the right to a fair trial, to his civil rights being protected, and the legal presumption of innocence.
    Disinformation does not lead to a 92% disapproval lu - disinformation does not lead to indictments, disinformation does not lead to international authorities presenting evidence of money laundering.
    See the first thing you're going to be screaming here when he's found guilty by the court is that the courts were corrupt and in the pocket of the KMT and scream violation of human rights - hyper partisan rhetoric.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    No, I don't. Then again, you support the most corrupt political party in the history of Taiwan with as many as (perhaps even more) than SEVEN legislators still currently illegally holding their seats in the Legislative Yuan under the protection of the KMT majority.
    Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Unless they are Blue.
    , is that why I call Ma an ass kissing pussy? Is that why I called Chiang Kai Shrek an indignant totalitarian dictating ****tard?
    You've no clue what you're talking about and are simply grasping at strings lu. You've been bitter since March by the total defeat of your beloved dpp - it's the exact same rhetoric that you're preaching on this site as what the DPP bbs bulliten is posting all over. So go on, keep drinking the coolaid - such sentiments are completely irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    After five weeks in prison without charge.
    It's a tragedy he wasn't longer - the sack of **** deserves nothing but to rot in jail. I thought you conservatives were all about tough on crime and corrupt politicians, seems it's only applicable when it's not one of your own.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    I understand clearly. What don't YOU understand about those laws NOT meeting general expectations of the protection of human and civil rights in a 21st century democracy.
    I guess you didn't get the memo explaining how prisoner freedoms are suspended.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    ALLEGEDLY broke a law. Has he been convicted yet?
    Will you ever accept a guilty verdict? No, I know that you know that, you will never accept a guilty verdict and begin a long regurgitation of blown up charges of investigative irregularities and court irregularities.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    How about the numerous KMT Legislators who have neen convicted! Including at least one who was convicted of a VIOLENT CRIME who put people's PHYSICAL SAFETY at risk.
    Oh yeah, there we go again with that non-sense. Yeah, we've clearly seen how you address that, it's only such when KMT does it, when DPP does it - Police brutality!!! Police state!!! Suspension of human rights!!!! Call for an international independent inquiry!!!!
    You said you were going to address those video clips I posted, predictably how you've not addressed a single section.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    The prosecutors work for the Executive Yuan. They called for his detention without charge. Then the prosecutors worked for PResident Chen, did they make similar calls for Ma to be detained without charge?
    Ma's family was never involved with Ma's case; the same is not so with abian, his entire family was involved - minus his daughter.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Perhaps he is. However, he still has the same rights to a fair trial as anyone else?
    What does fair trial have anything to do with my calling him a sack of ****?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    No single party had a majority. The Pan-Blue COALITION had a majority. Your claims that the DPP had a majority is a lie.

    DPP had 87 seats, the Taiwan Solidarity Union had 13 seats for a total of 100 seats.
    KMT had 68 seats, the PFP had 46 seats, the New Party had 1 for a total of 115 seats.
    10 seats went to neutral parties/independents.
    87 seats, that seems a lot more than 68 lu.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    The last I checked, 115 out of 225 seats constitutes a majority, one held by the KMT and their PFP allies. Care to lie about this or more the bar again?
    Except you fail to honestly present that the PFP was politically against the KMT as was the new party, there was no pan blue "coalition" until 2003.
    However the DPP and TSU were solidly aligned on virtually every issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    The protestors were FORCIBLY removed by police at 5 AM in the morning. The students were taken to NTU while the Tibetan protestors were taken and dropped off in the hills of Neihu (roughly Taipei's equivalent to the middle of nowhere.) You are the partisan hack job with no notion of basic human and political rights.

    They were removed because they were preaching a message that the city government of Taipei could no longer tolerate. They were peaceful, UNLIKE YOUR BLUE THUGS FOUR YEARS AGO! I love someone who supports a political party whose thugs formented the most violent demostrations in the history of democratic Taiwan, yet supports the forces removal of students peacefully protesting at Liberty Square.
    Wrong lu, the were removed because they were in violation of the guidlines of filing for protest.
    Such guidelines exist in all democracies around the world including the US and even vary from state to state, municipality to municipality - go look it up yourself on the US Government accountability office.
    U.S. GAO - Bid Protests at GAO: A Descriptive Guide
    So quite your whining and bitching about how OMFG this is so anti human rights, this is such a infringement on rights.
    They protestors knew the consequences of not filing and were there to challenge and were thus put on a bus and dropped off elsewhere. Were there any charges? No, was anyone beat up? no, police brutality? no.
    Feigning outrage from the pan green hyperpartisans so as to de-legitimize the government? Yes, that's all this is.

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    I don't care lu, answer the question, which party not pan, but party controlled the most number of seats between 2000 and 2008.
    Yet, there was NOT enough to effect any changes because there were a MAJORITY of seats held by parties that opposed the DPP. You claimed they could have effectuated action, but they did not have a majority of seats, as you WRONGLY claimed they had. You are the one who lied here, and are now trying to cover it by moving the goalposts.

    The horse is squeaky clean - the KMT is not. How's Abian? DPP?
    Didn't say Chen was sqeaky clean. I am merely calling for a respect of his civil rights and right to a fair trial in a transparent manner. Ma is NOT squeaky clean, else he would not have been indicted last year. There are other investigations on hold, waiting for his term to end in 2012.

    No, not true at all, should the suspect be suspect of tampering with evidence or be suspect of inpedeing with the investigation the suspect can be held without bail under custody for a fixed duration - that is exactly what happend in this case.
    In Taiwan, this is true. Can you find any other modern democracies where someone can be so held without charge?

    And of course, the trail was unfair because it disagreed with your allegations.
    Where was your call of fair trial here? Never saw it.
    There was a trial, he was found not guilty. I accept that. I have NOT called for his imprisonment, either pre- during, or post-trial. Will YOU accept any not-guilty verdicts if they happen to be rendered in even a single CHen case? I would be shocked if you did. Even KMT legislators can't accept the judges decision to release Chen according to the law and are now even filing to impeach the judge. Gotta love the KMT's respect for the rule of law. A judge makes a decision they don't like, move to impeach him. One more step down the slippery slope of Blue Terror.

    A phone call to his wife or son so as to make their stories the same. As I've said, this is common practice in all civilized societies
    So, defendants don't have a right to organize their defense? It is up to the prosecutor to prove his guilt. Have it your way, no defendant anywhere in the world will have a chance to prepare their own defense.

    Disinformation does not lead to a 92% disapproval lu - disinformation does not lead to indictments, disinformation does not lead to international authorities presenting evidence of money laundering.
    ANd if he is found guilty, he should be thrown in jail. I have neversaid otherwise. However, it is equally clear that the trial by media played by the prosecutor, the lies by the ilk of Chiu Yi for years, and the lies by the media regarding the alleged poor performance of Taiwan's economy all have turned people against PResident Chen. Actually, more and more people (still a signiificant minority) are seeing the problems of what is happening with Tyrant-in-training Ma. That you support that piece of horse dung says more about you than it does about me.

    See the first thing you're going to be screaming here when he's found guilty by the court is that the courts were corrupt and in the pocket of the KMT and scream violation of human rights - hyper partisan rhetoric.
    Take a look at the procedings, and see what happens.

    Whatever helps you sleep better at night.
    Failure to acknowledge that there are FIVE KMT legislators who have had their elections annulled by the courts and are still in their seats, and at least TWO legislators possibly have US citizenship according to a document being covered up by MOFA, which is a violation of the nationality law.

    , is that why I call Ma an ass kissing pussy? Is that why I called Chiang Kai Shrek an indignant totalitarian dictating ****tard?
    But you praise the younger Chiang as the Father of Democracy in Taiwan, which is a piece of utter excrement.

    You've no clue what you're talking about and are simply grasping at strings lu. You've been bitter since March by the total defeat of your beloved dpp - it's the exact same rhetoric that you're preaching on this site as what the DPP bbs bulliten is posting all over. So go on, keep drinking the coolaid - such sentiments are completely irrelevant.
    You are the one drinking kool-aid, so blind to what is happening that numerous international human rights organizations have expressed their concerns, people held in jail against modern conceptions of human rights, peaceful protestors forcibly removed TWICE, legislators illegally holding their seats under the protection of the KMT majority, etc. You need to take off those blue blinders through which you view the world.

    It's a tragedy he wasn't longer - the sack of **** deserves nothing but to rot in jail. I thought you conservatives were all about tough on crime and corrupt politicians, seems it's only applicable when it's not one of your own.
    Has be been found guilty yet?

    I guess you didn't get the memo explaining how prisoner freedoms are suspended.
    I guess you didn't get the memo that Chen hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

    Will you ever accept a guilty verdict? No, I know that you know that, you will never accept a guilty verdict and begin a long regurgitation of blown up charges of investigative irregularities and court irregularities.
    I will if the trial is fair, and transparant.

    Oh yeah, there we go again with that non-sense. Yeah, we've clearly seen how you address that, it's only such when KMT does it, when DPP does it - Police brutality!!! Police state!!! Suspension of human rights!!!! Call for an international independent inquiry!!!!
    There SHOULD be an independent inquiry, just like KMT called for an independent inquiry into the shooting of Chen four years ago. The funny thing is when Henry Lee came and presented his report, the KMT and their fradulant allies either dismissed or misrepresnted his findings.

    You said you were going to address those video clips I posted, predictably how you've not addressed a single section.
    I have. ANyone can take video clips out of context.

    Ma's family was never involved with Ma's case; the same is not so with abian, his entire family was involved - minus his daughter.
    Allegedly.

    What does fair trial have anything to do with my calling him a sack of ****?
    Your contempt for his rights is indicative of your feelings of his right to have his civil rights respected through this process.

    87 seats, that seems a lot more than 68 lu.
    But far short of a majority.

    Except you fail to honestly present that the PFP was politically against the KMT as was the new party, there was no pan blue "coalition" until 2003.
    But both were opposed to the DPP/TSU on nearly every issue.

    However the DPP and TSU were solidly aligned on virtually every issue.
    But with 100 seats combined, it still fell short of a majority.

    Wrong lu, the were removed because they were in violation of the guidlines of filing for protest.
    Guidelines which allow the police to determine who can protest and who can not, something even the KMT caucus gives LIP SERVICE to being a violation of the right to protest. Funny that Ma makes comments about the freedom of protest in Taiwan on HUman Rights Day and just a few hours later, the protesters are forcibly removed. How legal were the protests held by your beloved KMT four years ago? Who do you continue to ignore this point? ASHAMED!?!?!

    Such guidelines exist in all democracies around the world including the US and even vary from state to state, municipality to municipality - go look it up yourself on the US Government accountability office.
    U.S. GAO - Bid Protests at GAO: A Descriptive Guide
    What a fricking joke. That page has to do with protesting a the awarding/request for a government bid, not public protests. You love to misrepresent and lie, don't you. You are SO good at it.

    So quite your whining and bitching about how OMFG this is so anti human rights, this is such a infringement on rights.
    Care to read your own links before you paste them on here?

    They protestors knew the consequences of not filing and were there to challenge and were thus put on a bus and dropped off elsewhere. Were there any charges? No, was anyone beat up? no, police brutality? no.
    Feigning outrage from the pan green hyperpartisans so as to de-legitimize the government? Yes, that's all this is.
    This government bites hard core. They are not responsive to the people. Ma has lied so many times the past nine months, it isn't funny anymore. The government has been so bloody incompetant. They can't even handle economic stimulus packages without wasting resources in the process. They can't even handle the creation of a four-day weekend without completely screwing it up. Utter incompetance.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Yet, there was NOT enough to effect any changes because there were a MAJORITY of seats held by parties that opposed the DPP. You claimed they could have effectuated action, but they did not have a majority of seats, as you WRONGLY claimed they had. You are the one who lied here, and are now trying to cover it by moving the goalposts.
    What's 200-68? If the laws were so against human rights as you so claim, all the parties would've agreed to it even without 68 votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Didn't say Chen was sqeaky clean. I am merely calling for a respect of his civil rights and right to a fair trial in a transparent manner. Ma is NOT squeaky clean, else he would not have been indicted last year. There are other investigations on hold, waiting for his term to end in 2012.
    way to move the goal posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    In Taiwan, this is true. Can you find any other modern democracies where someone can be so held without charge?
    US, UK, France, Germany want to go on?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    There was a trial, he was found not guilty. I accept that. I have NOT called for his imprisonment, either pre- during, or post-trial. Will YOU accept any not-guilty verdicts if they happen to be rendered in even a single CHen case?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    I would be shocked if you did.
    Shocked yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Even KMT legislators can't accept the judges decision to release Chen according to the law and are now even filing to impeach the judge.
    Did you read the ruling by the judge? Abian is too big of a political figure that everyone knows that he does not pose a flight risk? Can you explain as to how that is justifiable? Legislating from the bench?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Gotta love the KMT's respect for the rule of law. A judge makes a decision they don't like, move to impeach him. One more step down the slippery slope of Blue Terror.
    Blue terror would be if they just shot him and thus effectively removing him. Have there become of any impeachment hearings?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    So, defendants don't have a right to organize their defense? It is up to the prosecutor to prove his guilt. Have it your way, no defendant anywhere in the world will have a chance to prepare their own defense.
    They do, just not to impede with investigations or to tamper with evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    ANd if he is found guilty, he should be thrown in jail. I have neversaid otherwise. However, it is equally clear that the trial by media played by the prosecutor, the lies by the ilk of Chiu Yi for years, and the lies by the media regarding the alleged poor performance of Taiwan's economy all have turned people against PResident Chen. Actually, more and more people (still a signiificant minority) are seeing the problems of what is happening with Tyrant-in-training Ma. That you support that piece of horse dung says more about you than it does about me.
    Yeah yeah yeah, you greens just go on with your pathetic antics and pull off his wig.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Take a look at the procedings, and see what happens.
    As I said, already setting your own step off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Failure to acknowledge that there are FIVE KMT legislators who have had their elections annulled by the courts and are still in their seats, and at least TWO legislators possibly have US citizenship according to a document being covered up by MOFA, which is a violation of the nationality law.
    Un huh, Sakura card by DPP member that's fine, he's a victim of white terror; possible citizenship FOUL FOUL FOUL!

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    But you praise the younger Chiang as the Father of Democracy in Taiwan, which is a piece of utter excrement.
    He is, I challenge you to go around asking and find much negativity against Chiang Chingkuo, if there was no Chingkuo, there would've never been a Taiwan of today.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    You are the one drinking kool-aid, so blind to what is happening that numerous international human rights organizations have expressed their concerns, people held in jail against modern conceptions of human rights, peaceful protestors forcibly removed TWICE, legislators illegally holding their seats under the protection of the KMT majority, etc. You need to take off those blue blinders through which you view the world.
    Copying again huh? Peaceful or not, anyone in violation of the law and knowingly doing so faces consequences.
    Human rights violations? what violations?
    KMT legislators holding seats illegally according to whom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Has be been found guilty yet?
    Want to wager on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    I guess you didn't get the memo that Chen hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
    $50 sound good to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    I will if the trial is fair, and transparant.
    We both know what you'll be doing, screaming "unfair" just as you did with Ma's innocent verdict all 3 times.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    There SHOULD be an independent inquiry, just like KMT called for an independent inquiry into the shooting of Chen four years ago.
    So a president getting shot should not be investigated??

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    The funny thing is when Henry Lee came and presented his report, the KMT and their fradulant allies either dismissed or misrepresnted his findings.
    By all means lu, how about posting what those findings were

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    I have. ANyone can take video clips out of context.
    Clear lie, you never addressed the video's other than calling them as biased. I didn't do anything other than post the video clips without anything other than a commentary of exactly what was going on, I challenge you to demonstrate anywhere where anything I said of the clips was anything even vaguely dishonest.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Allegedly.
    Tell that to interpole

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    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    ]Your contempt for his rights is indicative of your feelings of his right to have his civil rights respected through this process.
    I have no respect for corrupt politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    But far short of a majority.
    Nevertheless the most dominant party.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    But both were opposed to the DPP/TSU on nearly every issue.
    Did the DPP/TSU ever raise any voice on changing such laws ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    But with 100 seats combined, it still fell short of a majority.
    doesn't matter PFP didn't vote with the KMT all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Guidelines which allow the police to determine who can protest and who can not
    Based on what guidlines? Political ideology? would you like to review the NYC guidlines for protesting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    something even the KMT caucus gives LIP SERVICE to being a violation of the right to protest. Funny that Ma makes comments about the freedom of protest in Taiwan on HUman Rights Day and just a few hours later, the protesters are forcibly removed. How legal were the protests held by your beloved KMT four years ago?
    There you go again, they were perfectly legal and actually far less violent than what your thugs did last month.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Who do you continue to ignore this point? ASHAMED!?!?!
    I've ignored? Yeah I got to address you every time you bring up 4 years ago when abian staged his own assassination attempt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    What a fricking joke. That page has to do with protesting a the awarding/request for a government bid, not public protests. You love to misrepresent and lie, don't you. You are SO good at it.
    NYC has no guidelines? Really? SF? LA? London? Paris? Tokyo? Every metropolitan area has guidelines for protests. Taipei is no different.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Care to read your own links before you paste them on here?
    Keep on crying

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    This government bites hard core. They are not responsive to the people.
    To take a page out of conservative philosophy, you don't like it? Feel free to leave.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Ma has lied so many times the past nine months, it isn't funny anymore. The government has been so bloody incompetant. They can't even handle economic stimulus packages without wasting resources in the process. They can't even handle the creation of a four-day weekend without completely screwing it up. Utter incompetance.
    Which government in the world today is dealing with the economic downfall well?
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    What's 200-68? If the laws were so against human rights as you so claim, all the parties would've agreed to it even without 68 votes.
    What the heck are you talking about? 200-68???

    way to move the goal posts.
    You, the master of moving goal posts? LOL Please explain how I have moved them?

    US, UK, France, Germany want to go on?
    Care to back that up with a credible link? In Florida in the US, you can't be held more than 72 hours without charge. In the UK, it is 36 hours (except for terrorism related charges, and even then, it is only seven days).

    Yes

    Shocked yet?
    Saying it as a hypothetical is one thing; accepting it as a reality is one completely different.

    Did you read the ruling by the judge? Abian is too big of a political figure that everyone knows that he does not pose a flight risk? Can you explain as to how that is justifiable? Legislating from the bench?
    Chen poses a flight risk? If so, why didn't he leave in the six months between the end of his term and the time he was incarcerated. Five weeks without charge. Violation of human and civil rights.

    Blue terror would be if they just shot him and thus effectively removing him. Have there become of any impeachment hearings?
    I said this was a slippery slope that the people of Taiwan will have to be vigilent to prevent from becomming reality. As for the hearings, there haven't been any year. It has just been filed.

    They do, just not to impede with investigations or to tamper with evidence.
    How has Chen tampered with evidence?

    Yeah yeah yeah, you greens just go on with your pathetic antics and pull off his wig.
    That was pretty funny, actually. Not nearly as bad as Chiu getting on a blue truck ramming a police line four years go.

    As I said, already setting your own step off.
    What, if the procedings ARE unfair and lack transparency, are you saying that everyone should accept it because everyone knows he is guilty and thus does not deserve a fair trial?

    Un huh, Sakura card by DPP member that's fine, he's a victim of white terror; possible citizenship FOUL FOUL FOUL!
    Holding Sakura card= Not a violation of the Nationality Law
    Holding foreign citizenship=Violation of the Natioality Law

    What part of that can't you understand.

    He is, I challenge you to go around asking and find much negativity against Chiang Chingkuo, if there was no Chingkuo, there would've never been a Taiwan of today.
    There are a LOT of people who don't like him. Remember the Kaohsiung Incident?

    Copying again huh? Peaceful or not, anyone in violation of the law and knowingly doing so faces consequences.
    Even if the law is unjust; one that even the President and leaders in the LY have spoken against?

    KMT legislators holding seats illegally according to whom?
    The courts!

    Want to wager on this?

    $50 sound good to you?
    Obviously your reading comprehension abilities need some work.

    We both know what you'll be doing, screaming "unfair" just as you did with Ma's innocent verdict all 3 times.
    But have I said Ma should go to jail in the absense of a guilty verdict?

    So a president getting shot should not be investigated??
    Yes, and it was. The KMT just didn't accept the results.

    By all means lu, how about posting what those findings were
    Just check Wikipedia. There were two bullets. One passed through the windshield. That is obvious to ANYONE.

    Tell that to interpole
    Did Interpol declare anyone guilty of anything?

    Multiplet Report p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } I have no respect for corrupt politicians.
    Nor do I. If he is guilty, throw the book at him. Funny how you criticize some corrupt politicians, yet you leave others alone.

    Nevertheless the most dominant party.
    But without the votes to make any substantive changes.

    Did the DPP/TSU ever raise any voice on changing such laws ever?
    Yes, they did, but they were drowned out.

    doesn't matter PFP didn't vote with the KMT all the time.
    Care to find one instance where the PFP voted WITH the DPP/KMT on changing substantial procedural laws in the country regarding civil and human rights?

    Based on what guidlines? Political ideology? would you like to review the NYC guidlines for protesting?
    Got busted on your last link? Care to provide another one?

    There you go again, they were perfectly legal and actually far less violent than what your thugs did last month.
    What a joke. Of course, trying to break through a police line in Kaohsiung was peaceful. The invasion and trashing of the Central Election Commission was peaceful. The beating up of people speaking up against their protests was peaceful. The reign of terror in downtown Taipei for weeks was peaceful. Yeah, right!

    I've ignored? Yeah I got to address you every time you bring up 4 years ago when abian staged his own assassination attempt?
    You want to sit there and have someone shoot TWO bullets at you? CHen dared Lien to. Lien (smartly) declined.

    NYC has no guidelines? Really? SF? LA? London? Paris? Tokyo? Every metropolitan area has guidelines for protests. Taipei is no different.
    Care to explain what they are?

    Keep on crying
    Nice response when you get busted for posting a link that has NO RELATION to what you were claiming.

    To take a page out of conservative philosophy, you don't like it? Feel free to leave.

    Which government in the world today is dealing with the economic downfall well?
    Since when have I ever endorsed such ideas in the US? Like creating strawmen? You are the master of it.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Who was speaker of the Legislative Yuan from 2001-2004?
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What the heck are you talking about? 200-68???



    You, the master of moving goal posts? LOL Please explain how I have moved them?



    Care to back that up with a credible link? In Florida in the US, you can't be held more than 72 hours without charge. In the UK, it is 36 hours (except for terrorism related charges, and even then, it is only seven days).



    Saying it as a hypothetical is one thing; accepting it as a reality is one completely different.



    Chen poses a flight risk? If so, why didn't he leave in the six months between the end of his term and the time he was incarcerated. Five weeks without charge. Violation of human and civil rights.



    I said this was a slippery slope that the people of Taiwan will have to be vigilent to prevent from becomming reality. As for the hearings, there haven't been any year. It has just been filed.



    How has Chen tampered with evidence?



    That was pretty funny, actually. Not nearly as bad as Chiu getting on a blue truck ramming a police line four years go.



    What, if the procedings ARE unfair and lack transparency, are you saying that everyone should accept it because everyone knows he is guilty and thus does not deserve a fair trial?



    Holding Sakura card= Not a violation of the Nationality Law
    Holding foreign citizenship=Violation of the Natioality Law

    What part of that can't you understand.



    There are a LOT of people who don't like him. Remember the Kaohsiung Incident?



    Even if the law is unjust; one that even the President and leaders in the LY have spoken against?



    The courts!



    Obviously your reading comprehension abilities need some work.



    But have I said Ma should go to jail in the absense of a guilty verdict?



    Yes, and it was. The KMT just didn't accept the results.



    Just check Wikipedia. There were two bullets. One passed through the windshield. That is obvious to ANYONE.



    Did Interpol declare anyone guilty of anything?



    Nor do I. If he is guilty, throw the book at him. Funny how you criticize some corrupt politicians, yet you leave others alone.



    But without the votes to make any substantive changes.



    Yes, they did, but they were drowned out.



    Care to find one instance where the PFP voted WITH the DPP/KMT on changing substantial procedural laws in the country regarding civil and human rights?



    Got busted on your last link? Care to provide another one?



    What a joke. Of course, trying to break through a police line in Kaohsiung was peaceful. The invasion and trashing of the Central Election Commission was peaceful. The beating up of people speaking up against their protests was peaceful. The reign of terror in downtown Taipei for weeks was peaceful. Yeah, right!



    You want to sit there and have someone shoot TWO bullets at you? CHen dared Lien to. Lien (smartly) declined.



    Care to explain what they are?



    Nice response when you get busted for posting a link that has NO RELATION to what you were claiming.



    Since when have I ever endorsed such ideas in the US? Like creating strawmen? You are the master of it.
    I bore of your typical he said she said. Have fun with your final word - let me know when you can actually be honest without the hyperpartisan koolaid.

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    I bore of your typical he said she said. Have fun with your final word - let me know when you can actually be honest without the hyperpartisan koolaid.
    I love it. I beat him on every point, point out his lies and mistatements, then he cuts and runs. Typical pan Blue coward.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Now, Reporters without Borders is complaining about the sitution of the press under our dictator-in-training, Ma Yingjiu.

    article here

    Of course, our resident-KMT apologist will either ignore this or find some way to brush off the increasing international condemnation of the Ma regime.
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