I don't care lu, answer the question, which party not pan, but party controlled the most number of seats between 2000 and 2008.
Yet, there was NOT enough to effect any changes because there were a MAJORITY of seats held by parties that opposed the DPP. You claimed they could have effectuated action, but they did not have a majority of seats, as you WRONGLY claimed they had. You are the one who lied here, and are now trying to cover it by moving the goalposts.
The horse is squeaky clean - the KMT is not. How's Abian? DPP?
Didn't say Chen was sqeaky clean. I am merely calling for a respect of his civil rights and right to a fair trial in a transparent manner. Ma is NOT squeaky clean, else he would not have been indicted last year. There are other investigations on hold, waiting for his term to end in 2012.
No, not true at all, should the suspect be suspect of tampering with evidence or be suspect of inpedeing with the investigation the suspect can be held without bail under custody for a fixed duration - that is exactly what happend in this case.
In Taiwan, this is true. Can you find any other modern democracies where someone can be so held without charge?
And of course, the trail was unfair because it disagreed with your allegations.
Where was your call of fair trial here? Never saw it.
There was a trial, he was found not guilty. I accept that. I have NOT called for his imprisonment, either pre- during, or post-trial. Will YOU accept any not-guilty verdicts if they happen to be rendered in even a single CHen case? I would be shocked if you did. Even KMT legislators can't accept the judges decision to release Chen according to the law and are now even filing to impeach the judge. Gotta love the KMT's respect for the rule of law. A judge makes a decision they don't like, move to impeach him. One more step down the slippery slope of Blue Terror.
A phone call to his wife or son so as to make their stories the same. As I've said, this is common practice in all civilized societies
So, defendants don't have a right to organize their defense? It is up to the prosecutor to prove his guilt. Have it your way, no defendant anywhere in the world will have a chance to prepare their own defense.
Disinformation does not lead to a 92% disapproval lu - disinformation does not lead to indictments, disinformation does not lead to international authorities presenting evidence of money laundering.
ANd if he is found guilty, he should be thrown in jail. I have neversaid otherwise. However, it is equally clear that the trial by media played by the prosecutor, the lies by the ilk of Chiu Yi for years, and the lies by the media regarding the alleged poor performance of Taiwan's economy all have turned people against PResident Chen. Actually, more and more people (still a signiificant minority) are seeing the problems of what is happening with Tyrant-in-training Ma. That you support that piece of horse dung says more about you than it does about me.
See the first thing you're going to be screaming here when he's found guilty by the court is that the courts were corrupt and in the pocket of the KMT and scream violation of human rights - hyper partisan rhetoric.
Take a look at the procedings, and see what happens.
Whatever helps you sleep better at night.
:rofl Failure to acknowledge that there are FIVE KMT legislators who have had their elections annulled by the courts and are still in their seats, and at least TWO legislators possibly have US citizenship according to a document being covered up by MOFA, which is a violation of the nationality law.
:lamo, is that why I call Ma an ass kissing *****? Is that why I called Chiang Kai Shrek an indignant totalitarian dictating ****tard?
But you praise the younger Chiang as the Father of Democracy in Taiwan, which is a piece of utter excrement.
You've no clue what you're talking about and are simply grasping at strings lu. You've been bitter since March by the total defeat of your beloved dpp - it's the exact same rhetoric that you're preaching on this site as what the DPP bbs bulliten is posting all over. So go on, keep drinking the coolaid - such sentiments are completely irrelevant.
You are the one drinking kool-aid, so blind to what is happening that numerous international human rights organizations have expressed their concerns, people held in jail against modern conceptions of human rights, peaceful protestors forcibly removed TWICE, legislators illegally holding their seats under the protection of the KMT majority, etc. You need to take off those blue blinders through which you view the world.
It's a tragedy he wasn't longer - the sack of **** deserves nothing but to rot in jail. I thought you conservatives were all about tough on crime and corrupt politicians, seems it's only applicable when it's not one of your own.
Has be been found guilty yet?
I guess you didn't get the memo explaining how prisoner freedoms are suspended.
I guess you didn't get the memo that Chen hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
Will you ever accept a guilty verdict? No, I know that you know that, you will never accept a guilty verdict and begin a long regurgitation of blown up charges of investigative irregularities and court irregularities.
I will if the trial is fair, and transparant.
Oh yeah, there we go again with that non-sense. Yeah, we've clearly seen how you address that, it's only such when KMT does it, when DPP does it - Police brutality!!! Police state!!! Suspension of human rights!!!! Call for an international independent inquiry!!!!
There SHOULD be an independent inquiry, just like KMT called for an independent inquiry into the shooting of Chen four years ago. The funny thing is when Henry Lee came and presented his report, the KMT and their fradulant allies either dismissed or misrepresnted his findings.
You said you were going to address those video clips I posted, predictably how you've not addressed a single section.
I have. ANyone can take video clips out of context.
:lamo Ma's family was never involved with Ma's case; the same is not so with abian, his entire family was involved - minus his daughter.
Allegedly.
What does fair trial have anything to do with my calling him a sack of ****?
Your contempt for his rights is indicative of your feelings of his right to have his civil rights respected through this process.
87 seats, that seems a lot more than 68 lu.
But far short of a majority.
Except you fail to honestly present that the PFP was politically against the KMT as was the new party, there was no pan blue "coalition" until 2003.
But both were opposed to the DPP/TSU on nearly every issue.
However the DPP and TSU were solidly aligned on virtually every issue.
But with 100 seats combined, it still fell short of a majority.
Wrong lu, the were removed because they were in violation of the guidlines of filing for protest.
Guidelines which allow the police to determine who can protest and who can not, something even the KMT caucus gives LIP SERVICE to being a violation of the right to protest. Funny that Ma makes comments about the freedom of protest in Taiwan on HUman Rights Day and just a few hours later, the protesters are forcibly removed. How legal were the protests held by your beloved KMT four years ago? Who do you continue to ignore this point? ASHAMED!?!?!
Such guidelines exist in all democracies around the world including the US and even vary from state to state, municipality to municipality - go look it up yourself on the US Government accountability office.
U.S. GAO - Bid Protests at GAO: A Descriptive Guide
What a fricking joke. That page has to do with protesting a the awarding/request for a government bid, not public protests. You love to misrepresent and lie, don't you. You are SO good at it.
So quite your whining and bitching about how OMFG this is so anti human rights, this is such a infringement on rights.
Care to read your own links before you paste them on here?
They protestors knew the consequences of not filing and were there to challenge and were thus put on a bus and dropped off elsewhere. Were there any charges? No, was anyone beat up? no, police brutality? no.
Feigning outrage from the pan green hyperpartisans so as to de-legitimize the government? Yes, that's all this is.
This government bites hard core. They are not responsive to the people. Ma has lied so many times the past nine months, it isn't funny anymore. The government has been so bloody incompetant. They can't even handle economic stimulus packages without wasting resources in the process. They can't even handle the creation of a four-day weekend without completely screwing it up. Utter incompetance.
