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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It will still be difficult to use with traditional vendors and markets - though they say they are still working on it, and foreign resident taxpayers are still excluded. Some of the other bad provisions from earlier in the week have been mostly worked out though. It is a much fairer package today than it was on MOnday.
    Discriminitory? un huh.

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I care about both.

    The U.S. will figure out that this is the wrong road - before it is too late. They did last time, they will again.

    As for democracy in other countries, it is in the U.S. interest to have more democracies in the world. Even if the people in those countries don't like the US (something that is NOT the case in Taiwan - Taiwanese by in large LOVE the United States), it is better than to have the world run by tyrants who will actively work to subvert the interests of the United States.
    Taiwan is nothing more than a sacirificial pawn in US/China relations.
    You guys think that by the Taiwan Act the US would intervene should pan greens declare independence? You had 8 years, yet none of you did so. Why? Simple, you knew what the consequences would be - war; war in which no one would come to save your ass.
    So spare me the lies that you care about Taiwan, no you don't, you only care that your party is in power, that's all.
    If you cared about Taiwan even the least bit you'd at least be realistic.
    Say what you will about the Ma administration, call him a pussy if it makes you feel better.
    However, he's a realist, and has taken realistic measures to secure economic prowress for Taiwan's future - which is more than I can say about your jail bound political heads.

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    THis whole thread is completely dishonest.
    Brutal tactics? What the OP clearly will not post is what resulted in the police force cracking down on the protestors.
    Which was already shown here here and here in these various videos that you can view for yourself of the allegedly violent crack down.
    But will any of this matter? No, because the OP has been able to dishonestly manipulate the democracy of Taiwan with being synonomous with the negative connotations of communist China - all without providing the slightest shred of evidence other than empty allegations.
    The pan greens of Taiwan want to pretend that Taiwan is going backwards in democracy.
    Have constitutional rights been suspended? No; have individual rights been wrongfully violated? again no. There is not a single shred of truth to these allegations, nothing but pan greens who now have no power whatsoever and are looking for every opportunity to deligitimize the now ruling party.
    In typical fashion all we need to see are the mention of the word China, and the word attack and the poster wouldn't need to validate their arguments anymore due to the negative sentimental associations.
    So, which of these things are you going to claim DID NOT happen?

    1. Police ripped ROC flags from people on public streets.
    2. Police confiscicated video cameras and other recording devices from the protest area.
    3. A banner from the hotel were Chen Yunlin was staying was ripped down by authorities.
    4. Police used water cannons to disperse protesters.
    5. Police forcibly removed peaceful student protesters.
    6. Police violently forced the closure of a music shop after it started playing Taiwanese patriotic music.

    Freedom House has seen the evidence and is calling for an independent investigation. Unlike either of us, they have no axe to grind in this.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Discriminitory? un huh.
    Sure, if people have been here for years and do not receive this kind of benefit, it is discriminatory. However, there are so many KMT laws in Taiwan that are targeted at foreigners it is mind boggling.

    Now, it looks like at least foreign spouses will receive the benefit, but I know foreigners who have been here for decades who will not receive the vouchers. That IS discriminatory.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Except that the U.S. is not a democratic nation, it is a polyarchy, and this is how it wishes to fashion the other nations it invades. People are given the incidental freedom to vote every few years, but the candidates are selected by the elites in the country, and those elected have almost complete power.
    The candidates are chosen based on the peoples votes in the primaries. If you are part of a party you can try to run for your party's nomination if you wish.

    Those who are elected do not have complete power. What complete power do you think they have? Complete power to veto, create national monuments, etc... how terrifying! Powers of the President of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You are obviously not familiar with the legislative branch and the checks and balances of our government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It is not about removing tyranny. Some tyrants are left in power for the simple fact that they cooperate with American elites. It's about economic power first and foremost, and this is what the American people have zero influence on. In American elections, the real issues are never talked about: globalization, free trade, economic liberalism, foreign policy, etc. But that is all the elites care about.
    Our economy is our livelihood just like all other major powers. Its not a big surprise that threats to ones livelihood are handled seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It might intervene in order to save "democratic" face since it signed an agreement back in history (after all, it must at least try to preserve the myth that it is a democratic nation serving democratic interests), but it would never go to war with China because the elites would not allow it to happen.
    What liberal democracy have we fought in our entire history?

    And we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. We are deemed a "democracy" because the PEOPLE have an overwhelming say in the actions of the government. Our leaders LEAD but they are ELECTED by the people to lead us.
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Now, the International Federation for Human Rights is expressing its concern over the repression of the protests earlier this month.

    While the Blues here in Taiwan and their apologists are living in denial, human rights activists outside Taiwan are expressing their concern.

    article here
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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, which of these things are you going to claim DID NOT happen?

    1. Police ripped ROC flags from people on public streets.
    2. Police confiscicated video cameras and other recording devices from the protest area.
    3. A banner from the hotel were Chen Yunlin was staying was ripped down by authorities.
    4. Police used water cannons to disperse protesters.
    5. Police forcibly removed peaceful student protesters.
    6. Police violently forced the closure of a music shop after it started playing Taiwanese patriotic music.
    Legitimate source or video?
    Water cannon, oooo I'm terrified of water cannons. Why don't you be honest here and show everyone why water cannons were used. I've posted links to the videos where anyone can see the protestors for themselves and watch how the mob of protestors are assaulting police officers who were behind a baracade with bricks and stones. Then you can explain of your love of lawless mob rule. Perhaps you can educate all of us on angry rioting mob disperssion tactics that do not involve water cannons or other various non-lethal means of crowd control used by police the world over? Perhaps you can also educate us on just what it is the organizers of the event's intent was? What were the protesting against and why were they clubbing, stonning/bricking police officers?
    Again, anyone can see the videos and judge for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Freedom House has seen the evidence and is calling for an independent investigation. Unlike either of us, they have no axe to grind in this.
    Freedom house was called to investigate by whom? THey just suddenly found it of particular interest to investigate?

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Sure, if people have been here for years and do not receive this kind of benefit, it is discriminatory. However, there are so many KMT laws in Taiwan that are targeted at foreigners it is mind boggling.
    Next I'm going to hear you preaching that foreigners should have the right to vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Now, it looks like at least foreign spouses will receive the benefit, but I know foreigners who have been here for decades who will not receive the vouchers. That IS discriminatory.
    Why should foreigners receive any benefits period?

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Now, the International Federation for Human Rights is expressing its concern over the repression of the protests earlier this month.

    While the Blues here in Taiwan and their apologists are living in denial, human rights activists outside Taiwan are expressing their concern.

    article here
    Forget the fact that Taipei Times is about as legitimate as the weekly standard or national review or some other freeper source.
    What rights have been suppressed?
    Were the water cannon's dialed up too high and some moronic thug got a little brusie on h/er ass?

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    Re: Freedom House calls for investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Next I'm going to hear you preaching that foreigners should have the right to vote.
    Just keep up building your strawmen. They are irrelevant to the issue at hand.

    Why should foreigners receive any benefits period?
    Because they pay taxes?
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