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Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

Homophobia is simply the last bastion of bigotry in the United States and like the rest, it will fall as well.
Homophobia? The clinical, irrational fear of Homosexuals?
Show that anyone is afraid of homosexuals, with said fear extending to the clinical level.
 
YAWN....sorry Goobie, I'm not going to play along with your Stinger Shuffle games. :2wave:

Well, you really beat him on his own turf there, didn't you?
 
YAWN....sorry Goobie, I'm not going to play along with your Stinger Shuffle games. :2wave:
So, again, you cannot supprt your claim.
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That is totally up for debate when it comes to gays and I hate no one.........I just have a difference of opinion on the issue then you do.........Why is that not possible with the people on the left?

You are entitled to your opinion and beliefs. Unfortunately you and those on the right-wing believe that everyone else is not entitled to theirs.
 
Well, you really beat him on his own turf there, didn't you?

Sorry Harshaw.....if you want to debate the issue I'm more than willing. However, Gobbie only knows how to dance the Stinger Shuffle and I haven't got time for that.
 
You are entitled to your opinion and beliefs. Unfortunately you and those on the right-wing believe that everyone else is not entitled to theirs.
Says the guy that refers to those that oppose same-sex marriage as 'homophobes' and 'bigots'.
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Equality and justice for all. The end of bigotry and discrimination.

OK, first -- ain't never gonna happen. Bigotry and discrimination are part of human nature, and will continue to be as long as there are humans, and no amount of wishing, whining, or legislation will cause that to change.

Second, the appalling levels of bigotry shown by your own political tribe prove the above beyond a doubt.

Third, your statements by themselves illustrate my second point. Mere disagreement with your philosophy does not make one bigoted or hateful or angry.

But thank you for being such an excellent self-parody. You make it rather easier to deal with you.
 
Sorry Harshaw.....if you want to debate the issue I'm more than willing.
You can start debating by actually supporting the claims that you make...
 
There is no difference. Anyone who believes that any American is not entitled to the same rights/privileges as any other American is a bigot.

I am certain the racists who fought against the civil rights laws didn't consider themselves bigots either. Afterall, they were on the right....god was on their side.

Homophobia is simply the last bastion of bigotry in the United States and like the rest, it will fall as well.

You keep trying to compare the plight of Blacks when in fact there is no comparison.......

Because one has a difference of opinion does not make him a homophobe...........What is ironic as you on the left call us the intolerant ones when in fact it is you who are intolerant...........
 
OK, first -- ain't never gonna happen. Bigotry and discrimination are part of human nature, and will continue to be as long as there are humans, and no amount of wishing, whining, or legislation will cause that to change.

Second, the appalling levels of bigotry shown by your own political tribe prove the above beyond a doubt.

Third, your statements by themselves illustrate my second point. Mere disagreement with your philosophy does not make one bigoted or hateful or angry.

But thank you for being such an excellent self-parody. You make it rather easier to deal with you.


Fortunately American history has proven you at least partially wrong. True Bigotry and discrimination will always be a part of our culture. However, our history as a country has shown that although we haven't always been swift to address injustices, we eventually do the right thing.

Anyone who believes that certain people are not entitled to the same rights and privileges as the rest of society based on characterisitics such as gender, skin color, sexual orientation, age....are plain and simply bigots.
I believe everyone should be entitled to the same rights and privileges. Disagreement with that philosophy is in and of itself bigotry.
 
You keep trying to compare the plight of Blacks when in fact there is no comparison.......

Because one has a difference of opinion does not make him a homophobe...........What is ironic as you on the left call us the intolerant ones when in fact it is you who are intolerant...........

True, Navy....a difference of opinion does not make a person a homophobe. However, we you seek to implement your difference of opinion on others and say they are only entitled to your views and opinions....that does make one a homophobe. America is vast enough for a difference of opinion. I support your right to disagree. Why do I and the rest of us have to agree with your views?
 
I believe everyone should be entitled to the same rights and privileges. Disagreement with that philosophy is in and of itself bigotry.
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Wow. To disagree with you = bigotry
You just can't make this stuff up!
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Yes....because the bigots on the right are becoming scared of what is coming. They are trying to put up these walls, but eventually they will all fall. Most likely even within your lifetime.


So the millions of people that disagree with you are all bigots..........Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? When you make stupid statements like that you only hurt your argument........
 
So the millions of people that disagree with you are all bigots..........Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? When you make stupid statements like that you only hurt your argument........

Thats not what I am saying at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when they say that only their opinion is correct and force others to live by their opinion....that makes them a bigot.

I have no problem with people who disagree with gay marriage for whatever reason. They are entitled to that opinion. However, they should not expect others to live their lives by that opinion.
 
True, Navy....a difference of opinion does not make a person a homophobe. However, whn you seek to implement your difference of opinion on others and say they are only entitled to your views and opinions....that does make one a homophobe.
This is -insanely- stupid.
How do you go from a non-homophobe to a homophobe simply by trying to implement a position that you agree is non-homophobic?

And, how is it that someone that opposes same-sex marriages necessarily does so out of fear and hate?
 
Fortunately American history has proven you at least partially wrong. True Bigotry and discrimination will always be a part of our culture. However, our history as a country has shown that although we haven't always been swift to address injustices, we eventually do the right thing.

Anyone who believes that certain people are not entitled to the same rights and privileges as the rest of society based on characterisitics such as gender, skin color, sexual orientation, age....are plain and simply bigots.
I believe everyone should be entitled to the same rights and privileges. Disagreement with that philosophy is in and of itself bigotry.

Yeah, well, same-sex marriage doesn't fit neatly into that oversimplification, much as you think it's black and white. The same is true of other hot-button issues like abortion, which concerns more than just the right of a woman to do what she wishes with her body -- again, much as some would like to gloss right over that.

To say anyone who opposes same-sex marriage is just simply a bigot and a homophobe, just like that, a 1 or 0 with no middle ground, is hateful and divisive in and of itself and of a piece with exactly what you say you oppose.

Heck, the One himself said he's opposed to it, so is the new Messiah in Chief a bigot, and evil? If not, why not?
 
Thats not what I am saying at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when they say that only their opinion is correct and force others to live by their opinion....that makes them a bigot.
Wow. Who would have thought that you'd prove that liberals are bigots?
 
Yeah, well, same-sex marriage doesn't fit neatly into that oversimplification, much as you think it's black and white. The same is true of other hot-button issues like abortion, which concerns more than just the right of a woman to do what she wishes with her body -- again, much as some would like to gloss right over that.

To say anyone who opposes same-sex marriage is just simply a bigot and a homophobe, just like that, a 1 or 0 with no middle ground, is hateful and divisive in and of itself and of a piece with exactly what you say you oppose.

Heck, the One himself said he's opposed to it, so is the new Messiah in Chief a bigot, and evil? If not, why not?


Your use of Obama makes a perfect point. Obama has said that he is personally against gay marriage. I support his right to that opinion. However, Obama also said that he did not support Prop 8 because he did not believe that he should subject others to live by his views.

That is exactly what I am saying.

No one should have the right to tell others how to live their lives unless it involves crime and/or hurting another person.
 
No one should have the right to tell others how to live their lives unless it involves crime and/or hurting another person.
Explain to us, then, the welfare state.
 
Your use of Obama makes a perfect point. Obama has said that he is personally against gay marriage. I support his right to that opinion. However, Obama also said that he did not support Prop 8 because he did not believe that he should subject others to live by his views.

That is exactly what I am saying.

No one should have the right to tell others how to live their lives unless it involves crime and/or hurting another person.

OK, so he's against it, but that's OK, because he didn't agree with one very specific piece of legislation, even though he agrees with its goal?

Isn't what's in his heart -- being against gay marriage -- what makes him a bigot and homophobe? I'm afraid that's the only place it could be.

But somehow, I supsect that's still OK with you.
 
Thats not what I am saying at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when they say that only their opinion is correct and force others to live by their opinion....that makes them a bigot.

I have no problem with people who disagree with gay marriage for whatever reason. They are entitled to that opinion. However, they should not expect others to live their lives by that opinion.


What you have to do is get the people behind you on the issue.........You are not able to do that not will you be able to in the future........Some day if this country becomes another Sodom then that might happen..........

Oh nd I thought you said that the referendum in California was going to be defeated........What happened?
 
OK, so he's against it, but that's OK, because he didn't agree with one very specific piece of legislation?

Isn't what's in his heart -- being against gay marriage -- what makes him a bigot and homophobe? I'm afraid that's the only place it could be.

But somehow, I supsect that's still OK with you.

I'm ok with anyone having their personal views. This is America, they are entitled to it. I believe strongly in the Constitution and would stand up for their right to advocate their beliefs, no matter how much I disagree with them.

However, that is their personal belief and everyone is entitled to their own.

As long as you don't try to foist your beliefs and require others to live by your personal views. I'm fine with it.
 
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