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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yep, it looks like this is going to pass. Those of you who supported it, I hope you feel good about yourselves.

    Some people just wanted the right to marry the person they love, just like everyone else. And you took that away from them. I hope it feels good.

    Some people already got legally married, and now their marriages appear to be in legal limbo. I hope it feels good.

    You just wanted to screw over gay people (don't even bother to deny it), but you couldn't come out and say that, so you brayed about the "sanctity of marriage" instead. And it worked. I hope it feels good.

    Hopefully the people of California will repeal this next time around. And hopefully they'll invalidate YOUR marriages while they're at it.
    Boy... somone doesnt behave the way you think they should and you get -all- pissy.

    You need to blame the minorities -- specifically the blacks, hispanics and Asians - who supported this FAR more than the whites.

    You also need to blame those that worked so hard to get out the minoirity vote.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Boy... somone doesnt behave the way you think they should and you get -all- pissy.

    You need to blame the minorities -- specifically the blacks, hispanics and Asians - who supported this FAR more than the whites.

    You also need to blame those that worked so hard to get out the minoirity vote.
    It's a catch 22.

    But, I think that'll be far different after a generation from now. The minority generation gap will definitely widen between conservative cultural values and liberal CA values.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Funny. Everyone says that about you.
    Everyone; as being you and your cabal of uninformed ranters?


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That is what the Courts are suppose to do, at least under Judicial Review. If a law passed by the people is unconstitutional, is it there duty to remove it. In school, children are taught that the three branches of government are meant to act as checks and balances on each other.
    Roe vs. Wade was a similar adjudication where the right to an abortion was "divined" by a radical court.

    How has that worked for the nation as a whole?

    You can pretend that it was an honest "interpretation of "rights", but that is your OPINION and it doesn't wash with the FACTS.

    There is not inferred "constitutional" right for same sex marriages in the State of California. Therefore, as I stated, it took an activist State Supreme Court, one of the most OVERULLED in the country that decided to legislate from the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Incorrect. They changed the Constitution to prevent Judges ruling that such bans are Unconstitutional based on that Constitution.
    No, they changed the Constitution to prevent activist’s judges from going against the will of the citizens.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Incorrect. It's called Common Law and it is created by judicial rulings.
    What does "common law" have to do with this case? I think you need to review the law:

    The term "common law" is also used to mean the traditional, precedent-based element in the law of any common-law jurisdiction, as opposed to its statutory law or legislation.

    This is about statutory law or legislation; there is nothing common law about it.

    The judges chose to throw out legislation based on their activist interpretations of the States Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And both liberals and conservatives do it. Bush's pick of Janice Brown was particularly controversial since she herself legislated from the bench more then a few times.
    Another of your typical off topic rants.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Seeing as you aren't correct in your statements...is your local grocery store having a sale on eggs?
    The notion that your arguments above are correct is only for those who willingly suspend their disbelief; particularly when you cannot distinguish between “common law” and legislation.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If the judicial branch deems that according to the Constitution, a law is unconstitutional, no, we don't have to obey it.
    That wasn’t the question; Gavin Newsom and gay activists chose to IGNORE/FLAUNT the existing laws and marry gay couples. Do you think they only have to obey laws they agree with, or should they obey all the laws?

    The Supreme Court has forced Californians to modify their Constitution; do you obey only laws you agree with, or do you obey all the laws?


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    OH THIS IS GOOD. You just called Goobie a liberal.
    I mistook Goobie for Gibberish…..the names merge in these threads sometimes …. So sue me for making a mistake.

    Good lord you can’t get more petty than this.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Eventually I think it'll become a federal issue and taken out of the states hands. I think that sorta has to happen. It's just unreasonable to have marriages recognized in some states and not others.
    I agree that it will become a federal issue, but not for that reason. I believe it is discrimination against a minority. It is just a matter of time, IMHO. Eventually, the Defense of Marriage law will be found unconstitutional. It won't be soon enough for those who are ready for it now and want it yesterday, but I firmly believe it will happen.

    Regarding those who want to insist that giving gay couples "civil unions" that are the "same as marriage" is the solution: Separate is not equal. If it is the same as marriage, then it IS marriage. Anything less is, well, less than equal.

    The propositions against gay marriage and gay couples adopting children show the dark underbelly of our country. It shows me that bigotry is alive and well, unfortunately. While we pat ourselves on the back for electing a black president, we haven't come as far as we think we have.

    On a more positive note, now that NY has a Democratic governor and Democratic majorities in the Senate and Assembly, maybe there will be enough political will to pass a law allowing gay marriage here. I am hearing some talk about it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Granting sexual orientation the same status as race is an absurd argument of extremists.
    That is incorrect.

    Any civil union of assets is a marriage, whether that union is between two or more corporations, or people.
    The right to form civil unions is a negative right which may be equally protected.

    Registration of civil unions (marriages) with the state has the purpose of seeking benefits of entitlement, which are known as positive rights.
    Positive rights may not be equally endowed.

    To address your assertion, affirmative action is a positive right with positive obligations, which is not equally endowed.
    The beneficiary must be a minority and the benefactor is the government which provides the benefit.

    Thus, as a petition for registration of marriage seeks a positive right, it is possible for the public to decide that only specific civil unions (marriages), which fit certain racial profiles may be accepted by the state to receive benefits.
    That is, as the state is in the business of deciding policy based on race.

    As formation of civil unions is a negative right, a law requiring racial profiles for registration would not prevent miscegenation civil unions (marriages).

    Also, the law would not represent public sanction or advocacy for anti-miscegenation unions, it would simply not allow miscegenation unions to be registered for benefit.

    It would be equivalent to excluding registration of a civil union (marriage) between corporations for a benefit provided to a civil union (marriage) between two heterosexual, same race individuals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Expect the radicals to file lawsuit after lawsuit to prevent the will of the people from being heard and further polarize those of us who may have been in support gay issues.
    Verily, both sides lack any semblence of political principle.
    An understanding of positive and negative rights is certainly beneficial for a candid evaluation of marriage.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yep, it looks like this is going to pass. Those of you who supported it, I hope you feel good about yourselves.
    Some people just wanted the right to marry the person they love, just like everyone else. And you took that away from them. I hope it feels good.
    Some people already got legally married, and now their marriages appear to be in legal limbo. I hope it feels good.
    You just wanted to screw over gay people (don't even bother to deny it), but you couldn't come out and say that, so you brayed about the "sanctity of marriage" instead. And it worked. I hope it feels good.
    Hopefully the people of California will repeal this next time around. And hopefully they'll invalidate YOUR marriages while they're at it.

    Indeed we are celebrating! I'l make this simple.

    Not about scwewing over gay people. Its about my Christian religion and morals. I actually believe in an almighty entity called God. Not something many in your camp understandably seem to relate to. It requires faith and with it, I hope for salvation in eternity instead suffering the fate of mortal death. Despite the fact scientific reality makes that seem unbelievable. I relie on laws my God has provided we followers in his Bible to reach that goal. It is absolutely clear about homosexuality in the Bible being an abomination he hates. A fact most in your camp tend to regularly twist into modern interpretations the vast majority of Christians do not buy into. Nothing you people will argue can change that with Christians that actually bother to read that holy book.

    On the other hand, our God makes considerable input about marriage between men and women that is held in sacred importance. Thus we absolutely hate such a prominent traditional human ceremony being associated with a lifestyle we think is clearly sinful. Not that we dislike the person's involved but rather the choice of lifestyle and behavior. And we do not in the context of modern society demand that you gays not be able to make your own choices on that matter but rather that your lifestyle not be forced into ours. Much like those people who choose to pursue pornography, prostitution, drugs and other personal behaviors that don't tend to hurt others beyond possibly the individual. As many of us see it, your attempt at forcing this on us isn't really about marriage but rather a waypoint of the gay agenda towards making the gay lifestyle as acceptable as that of heterosexuals. Thus "don't ask don't tell" for military service, and keeping yourself out of conflict with our culture is a wiser path if you wish to coexist with we of the majority. Thus we have blocked your path to that end. That is why our media tv campaign went beyond simply the marriage issue. That was quite successful because recent history rang true with those who recall what your lawyers and politicians have been up to the last couple decades. Your impatient advocates brought this on themselves.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Granting sexual orientation the same status as race is an absurd argument of extremists.
    You're right. From now on I only support gay marriage if both guys are of the same race.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Boy... somone doesnt behave the way you think they should and you get -all- pissy.

    You need to blame the minorities -- specifically the blacks, hispanics and Asians - who supported this FAR more than the whites.

    You also need to blame those that worked so hard to get out the minoirity vote.
    Where in his post does he blame whites?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    Indeed we are celebrating! I'l make this simple.

    Not about scwewing over gay people. Its about my Christian religion and morals.
    So, let me get this straight. You can't have your personal Christian religion and morals without discriminating against others?

    Why do you want to impose your Christian religion and morals on others? Seems to me everyone should have the right to their own.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    It is absolutely clear about homosexuality in the Bible being an abomination he hates.
    Really? Where.

    First off, let me remind you that you can't use the old testament quotes (Leviticus) unless you're planning to say that seafood is still a sin. Christ didn't differentiate when he proclaimed to be the new religion and dismiss the previous items so you don't get to cherry pick from that.

    Second, and on to the NT, please give me an exact translation of the following two words: arsenokoites and malakos. Any person proclaiming the inerrent word of God must have read it in its original languages, including the Greek passages where these terms occur.

    Third, and an obvious point not to overlook, but the term "homosexuality" didn't come into any sort of parlance until the late 1800s. Please tell me when your Bible was written.

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