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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I have to disagree with this. I am not religious and I do considered myself married and I do not need religion to validate it. I am not going to use the term civil union because I do not subscribe to a religion to enforce it.
    Marriage itself is founded on religious beliefs and has always been a religious institution. What you are merely doing is taking a religious tradition and applying it as just a tradition of couples. That is fine but to alleviate confusion and ridiculous propositions as Prop 8 the government should legally recognize all "married couples" as something else entirely.

    That doesn't mean everyone can't call themselves married. It just means the government doesn't care. It only cares that you filed the proper legal documentation. Having legal documentation and legal title eliminates the interpretation of the legal term based on religious ideals.

    Religious interpretations of phrases should not be dictating our laws.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And, admittedly absent that information, you made your claim anyway.
    Hmm.
    Alright, I retract my claim then. Can we get back on topic?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Alright, I retract my claim then. Can we get back on topic?
    Thanks for your honesty!

    What's the topic?

    Oh, right -- the people of CA chosing to override their Supreme Court.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thanks for your honesty!

    What's the topic?

    Oh, right -- the people of CA chosing to override their Supreme Court.
    You have an incredible propensity for getting facts wrong.

    The Supreme Court ignored the LAW the PEOPLE passed, not the other way around.

    The people of California now have been FORCED to pass a State Constitutional amendment so that a radical and most overruled State Supreme Court in the country cannot MAKE UP their own legislation.

    For your edification; courts do not LEGISLATE, they enforce the LAWS that are passed by the LEGISLATURE.

    It's unfortunate that people like you who should know better continue to wallow in willful denial, but those are the FACTS.

    Now it begs the question to Liberals like you; do you think that you only have to obey the laws you agree with? Or should you obey ALL laws?

    Be careful, because like most liberals, you walk on a slippery slope here.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    For your edification; courts do not LEGISLATE, they enforce the LAWS that are passed by the LEGISLATURE.
    And I always thought enforcing laws was up to the executive branch

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You have an incredible propensity for getting facts wrong.

    The Supreme Court ignored the LAW the PEOPLE passed, not the other way around.

    The people of California now have been FORCED to pass a State Constitutional amendment so that a radical and most overruled State Supreme Court in the country cannot MAKE UP their own legislation.

    For your edification; courts do not LEGISLATE, they enforce the LAWS that are passed by the LEGISLATURE.

    It's unfortunate that people like you who should know better continue to wallow in willful denial, but those are the FACTS.

    Now it begs the question to Liberals like you; do you think that you only have to obey the laws you agree with? Or should you obey ALL laws?

    Be careful, because like most liberals, you walk on a slippery slope here.
    You really arent paying attantion, are you...?

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Eventually I think it'll become a federal issue and taken out of the states hands. I think that sorta has to happen. It's just unreasonable to have marriages recognized in some states and not others.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Yep, it looks like this is going to pass. Those of you who supported it, I hope you feel good about yourselves.

    Some people just wanted the right to marry the person they love, just like everyone else. And you took that away from them. I hope it feels good.

    Some people already got legally married, and now their marriages appear to be in legal limbo. I hope it feels good.

    You just wanted to screw over gay people (don't even bother to deny it), but you couldn't come out and say that, so you brayed about the "sanctity of marriage" instead. And it worked. I hope it feels good.

    Hopefully the people of California will repeal this next time around. And hopefully they'll invalidate YOUR marriages while they're at it.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You have an incredible propensity for getting facts wrong.
    Funny. Everyone says that about you.

    The Supreme Court ignored the LAW the PEOPLE passed, not the other way around.
    That is what the Courts are suppose to do, at least under Judicial Review. If a law passed by the people is unconstitutional, is it there duty to remove it. In school, children are taught that the three branches of government are meant to act as checks and balances on each other.

    The people of California now have been FORCED to pass a State Constitutional amendment so that a radical and most overruled State Supreme Court in the country cannot MAKE UP their own legislation.
    Incorrect. They changed the Constitution to prevent Judges ruling that such bans are Unconstitutional based on that Constitution.

    For your edification; courts do not LEGISLATE, they enforce the LAWS that are passed by the LEGISLATURE.
    Incorrect. It's called Common Law and it is created by judicial rulings.

    And both liberals and conservatives do it. Bush's pick of Janice Brown was particularly controversial since she herself legislated from the bench more then a few times.

    It's unfortunate that people like you who should know better continue to wallow in willful denial, but those are the FACTS.
    Seeing as you aren't correct in your statements...is your local grocery store having a sale on eggs?

    Now it begs the question to Liberals like you; do you think that you only have to obey the laws you agree with? Or should you obey ALL laws?
    If the judicial branch deems that according to the Constitution, a law is unconstitutional, no, we don't have to obey it.

    Be careful, because like most liberals, you walk on a slippery slope here.
    OH THIS IS GOOD. You just called Goobie a liberal.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You really arent paying attantion, are you...?
    Sorry, I keep getting you and Gibberish mixed up.

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